Sharp Axes

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Her niche is muck-raking. She offers nothing to the sport or to actual journalism.

All you need to know about Caro and her 'principles' is when she hung the partners of Tim Membrey and Seb Ross out to dry because they had the nerve to want their partners by their side at the birth of their children when they were stuck in the Qld bubble during COVID. She is a low-rent, reprehensible person in a low-rent, reprehensible industry. Nothing she says is worth hearing.

Just imagine if she was also the mayor of Geelong.

[Bornadog]

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He was probably cooked from just about being best on ground. Seriously, what more does this guy need to do he's been fantastic for us. I don't particularly care if he's invested in the fabric of the club or not he is a consummate professional and has been one of our better players all year.

If he doesn't want to be here well that's certainly not translating out on the field.

Don't get me wrong, he is one of my favourite players, a class act. I just picked a moment that I wasn't happy with - he is not immune to criticism.

[jeemak]

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Pre game great. During game out coached.
Structural injuries? We lost 2 average tall defenders, who were competing against some average tall forwards. We should have been able to cover that when you are 6 goals up on your home deck. That’s out coached.

So there's no correlation between the injuries and the coaching performance?

Fair enough, not sure I see it that way. You remove 2 x key defenders who spend 90% plus time on ground and replace them with players that usually fit into upfield rotations and you're going to lose run due to fatigue.

Defensive structures are usually better when players who usually play a role in them play a role in them. Losing key position players out of a structure is always difficult to deal with.

[JanLorMill]

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So there's no correlation between the injuries and the coaching performance?

Fair enough, not sure I see it that way. You remove 2 x key defenders who spend 90% plus time on ground and replace them with players that usually fit into upfield rotations and you're going to lose run due to fatigue.

Defensive structures are usually better when players who usually play a role in them play a role in them. Losing key position players out of a structure is always difficult to deal with.

Of course there is but one coach made the right moves eg tag bont and ours didn?t adjust or make the right moves eg Lobb to chb.
We had enough talls to adjust for the loss of 2 tall defenders. 6 goals up with a qtr and bit to go. Should have shut out the game. This can?t take Naughton out of forward line is bull. Taylor won his share before and after. Just stop them kicking 6 more than us.

[Bornadog]

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Of course there is but one coach made the right moves eg tag bont and ours didn’t adjust or make the right moves eg Lobb to chb

You really think Lobb to backline instead of Naughton made the difference? I don't think so.

[D Mitchell]

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Her niche is muck-raking. She offers nothing to the sport or to actual journalism.

All you need to know about Caro and her 'principles' is when she hung the partners of Tim Membrey and Seb Ross out to dry because they had the nerve to want their partners by their side at the birth of their children when they were stuck in the Qld bubble during COVID. She is a low-rent, reprehensible person in a low-rent, reprehensible industry. Nothing she says is worth hearing.

Alright, apart from that, she has her niche. I gave up watching and reading footy commentary during Covid and haven't resumed interest. Besides, the feminists are watching, watching, watching

[1eyedog]

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Don't get me wrong, he is one of my favourite players, a class act. I just picked a moment that I wasn't happy with - he is not immune to criticism.

Yep no one is beyond critisism I get that.

[Danjul]

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You really think Lobb to backline instead of Naughton made the difference? I don't think so.

Bruce had 3 disposals in half a game up to the time he was injured.

Yes, his loss disrupted the team etc and I feel bad for him.

But the reason we lost was the forward line could kick only 1 goal in the last quarter with the wind advantage.

The structural changes had to be?
?get Naughton and Weightman into the game
?.get Bont back into the game.

I thought JUH looked unwell so not sure there.

The fundamental problem was a non functioning forward line. They were contributing next to nothing on the scoreboard.

Nothing to do with Bruce. Referring to him is simply a distraction.

[Bornadog]

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Bruce had 3 disposals in half a game up to the time he was injured.

Yes, his loss disrupted the team etc and I feel bad for him.

But the reason we lost was the forward line could kick only 1 goal in the last quarter with the wind advantage.

The structural changes had to be?
?get Naughton and Weightman into the game
?.get Bont back into the game.

I thought JUH looked unwell so not sure there.

The fundamental problem was a non functioning forward line. They were contributing next to nothing on the scoreboard.

Nothing to do with Bruce. Referring to him is simply a distraction.

Agree with all that but at least Bruce and Keath were occupying space so Greene couldn't find space himself in the first half. This allowed Dale to run off half back, whereas in the second half he was forced to defend more.

[Bulldog4life]

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Agree with all that but at least Bruce and Keath were occupying space so Greene couldn't find space himself in the first half. This allowed Dale to run off half back, whereas in the second half he was forced to defend more.

Yep losing 2 key defenders during a game will put you behind the 8 ball big time. No matter if it is West Coast or Collingwood.

[Hotdog60]

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34 2 goals and 7 tackles suggests otherwise.

I maybe I'm being too critical and I only see what I can see on the square box. But over the course its the flapping of arms as someone just runs past him to me doesn't look good. He did have a very good game on the weekend and when his on he is very good but still think if a player get past him that's as far as it goes. I don't dislike him but I would like a little bit more when he has to chase.

[Mantis]

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Bruce had 3 disposals in half a game up to the time he was injured.

Yes, his loss disrupted the team etc and I feel bad for him.

But the reason we lost was the forward line could kick only 1 goal in the last quarter with the wind advantage.

The structural changes had to be?
?get Naughton and Weightman into the game
?.get Bont back into the game.

I thought JUH looked unwell so not sure there.

The fundamental problem was a non functioning forward line. They were contributing next to nothing on the scoreboard.

Nothing to do with Bruce. Referring to him is simply a distraction.

We don’t really have a traditional forward line which doesn’t help matters.

We pretty much only have 4 forwards in Naughton, Marra, Lobb and Weightman. The other spots are filled by mids (Smith and Macrae) and players we are trying to fit in ( West & VDM).

When through necessity we move one to defence, two are largely ineffective (Marra and Cody) and the other has his hands full with the best key defender in the game (Naughton) it makes it difficult to score… and we need to generate our scores from elsewhere, which we couldn’t do either.

[JanLorMill]

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You really think Lobb to backline instead of Naughton made the difference? I don't think so.

Possibly. Not sure Lobb has ever played CHB in his career, Naughton did it a month ago. We lost by a goal btw
It wasn't the only move Bevo could have tried anyway

[mjp]

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Pre game great. During game out coached.
Structural injuries? We lost 2 average tall defenders, who were competing against some average tall forwards. We should have been able to cover that when you are 6 goals up on your home deck. That?s out coached.

I'm happy enough to debate this one and I don't really have an opinion.

What did Kingsley do to turn things around?

1/. Ward ==> Bont @ Q-time. Successful! Big Tick.
- BUT made pretty much zero difference to contested ball and stoppage numbers...so would appreciate a heads up on what DID happen.
2/. ???

What did Bevo do??

1/. Lobb back to replace the injured Bruce/Keath.
2/. ???

To me, neither coach really moved the magnets around much at all...

I get the 'Bevo should have been more pro-active argument' - I really do. But when you're 2-goals up at 3/4 time and are kicking with the wind - AND have stoppage ascendency...are you SURE you would change it?

I totally get the 'move Bont forward' arguments and the 'Naughton not Lobb' arguments...but I just don't get that this one was won in the coaches box on the day...

[The bulldog tragician]

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I’d just like to chime in to contest the wind advantage idea which keeps being repeated. As someone there I thought it dropped notably by the end of the day ( last qtr). It was also a strong cross- ground breeze rather than the old fashioned Barkly St howler. Feel it’s been overplayed as a huge advantage to us?

I might be wrong as I don’t pretend to be au fait with tactics, but Lobb into backline isn’t just “ tall body replaces equally tall body.” I thought he looked all at sea and the usual switches our defence do to cover for each other and their chemistry in working that out fell apart which was why there were suddenly Toby- Greene - off - the - chain moments. I don’t know if Naughton would have been better at that but I thought Lobb was noticeably horrible, again had a very good position to see the infamous third qtr. In our last Ballarat game, sitting in the same spot, I had a really good view of how Jones was working in coming off his man to influence contests. He did it really well and the difference with someone who doesn’t play defence was noticeable.

I’m not sure about Plans a and b, I thought it was more plan A depends on the right personnel, and they weren’t there, and putting a different cog in the wheel isn’t that simple. I also noticed how fatigued our guys looked in trying for that ‘one more goal’ and, again, question if it’s the Plan that’s wrong or it’s just being unable to be executed because of fitness. I don’t think we run out games that well actually