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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65958

    Re: Sharp Axes

    People on social media talking about tearing their memberships up are not real supporters.
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    • 1eyedog
      Hall of Fame
      • Mar 2008
      • 13178

      Re: Sharp Axes

      Originally posted by Mofra
      You'd delist a guy immediately after being one of our best players in a Grand Final? Really?
      Wasn't hard after half time. He is a bit player across every other game and everyone knows it.
      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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      • 1eyedog
        Hall of Fame
        • Mar 2008
        • 13178

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Originally posted by bornadog
        People on social media talking about tearing their memberships up are not real supporters.
        Regardless this is what I mean. Can the club afford to lose these 'not real supporters' and roll out 40-45k members next year? Would be damning.
        But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34316

          Re: Sharp Axes

          Originally posted by bornadog
          People on social media talking about tearing their memberships up are not real supporters.
          Why not? Don’t people grieve losses and manifest stresses in different ways? If that’s their way, not mine, I won’t judge them for it. We all process things differently.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • Mofra
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 14860

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Originally posted by 1eyedog
            Wasn't hard after half time. He is a bit player across every other game and everyone knows it.
            There were plenty of blokes I'd delist at the end of 2021. Roarke absolutely earned at least one more year after his season.
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            • SonofScray
              Coaching Staff
              • Apr 2008
              • 4204

              Re: Sharp Axes

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              That's quite true and you can see after making the hard call on Rohan Smith how hard it actually hit him. Multiply that across a tightly knit playing group and it would difficult for him to let go of players who are giving their all.

              This is why I believe we need a strong GM of Footy and perhaps he needs to be making the calls more than a very invested coach.
              Where a lot of people see a guy with really high emotional intelligence, I see a lack of professional boundaries. If we had a strong GM perhaps those boundaries could be reset or reframed strategically so Bevo can have the relationship he needs for his coaching to work.

              But we don’t and it isn’t working.

              I’ll be harping for a few days before I calm down, but he simply has to go. Quicker the better.
              Time and Tide Waits For No Man

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              • Grantysghost
                Bouncing Strong
                • Apr 2010
                • 18854

                Re: Sharp Axes

                Originally posted by SonofScray
                Where a lot of people see a guy with really high emotional intelligence, I see a lack of professional boundaries. If we had a strong GM perhaps those boundaries could be reset or reframed strategically so Bevo can have the relationship he needs for his coaching to work.

                But we don’t and it isn’t working.

                I’ll be harping for a few days before I calm down, but he simply has to go. Quicker the better.
                I agree with this as cold as it sounds.

                You really can't be an emotional decision maker at the macro scale. It doesn't work, there would never be change. What many see as a badge of honour for Bevo in terms of the playing group (I agree), doesn't work outside of that.

                Who'd want to be a coach?!
                BT COME BACK!​

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                • Grantysghost
                  Bouncing Strong
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 18854

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  Originally posted by Mofra
                  There were plenty of blokes I'd delist at the end of 2021. Roarke absolutely earned at least one more year after his season.
                  And he's a known quantity. There's this idea you are going to bring in someone better? Who ? Baker? Poulter? More of the same really and actually I prefer Rourke to those two.
                  BT COME BACK!​

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                  • azabob
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15194

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Buckley and Cornes view from the weekend.

                    From the eight minute; fifteen second mark.

                    More of an In Bruges guy?

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                    • angelopetraglia
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 6774

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      We entered round 11 with five wins in a row and 7-3 record after our horror 0-2 start. We had corrected. I felt confident. We looked ready to have a proper assaults on the final four.

                      From round 11.

                      Round 11- lose to Suns by 7 (after getting out to a 20 point lead)
                      Round 12 - lose to Cats by 22 (after being two goals up in the 3rd quarter)
                      Round 13 - lose to Port by 22

                      Round 14 - beat North by 21
                      Round 15 - beat Freo by 29
                      Round 16 - lose to Pies by 12 (after getting out to a 20 point lead)
                      Round 17 - lose to Swans by 2 (after getting out to a 19 point lead)

                      Round 18 - beat Dons by 41
                      Round 19 - lose to GWS by 5 (after getting out to a 35 point lead)
                      Round 20 - beat Tigers by 55
                      Round 21 - lose to Hawks by 3 (after getting out to a 20 point lead twice)

                      That is four wins in the last eleven weeks. Wins only against North, Freo, Tigers and Dons who are basically shot. Nothing to really celebrate.

                      That is seven losses. In every single one of those losses we have been in a winning position at some point. We just can't get the job done at the moment. Three losses by less than a goal. Another by 7 points. Another by 12 points. That is five of the seven losses by less than two goals.

                      After what I saw against Hawthorn and basically another period where we went completely missing for 45 minutes and could not even touch the ball which comes down to effort and concentration, my patience has finally been extinguished. Everything was on the line. The entire season. We go missing. We go missing again.

                      My view has shifted. We need to put a bomb under the place and blow it up. Serious questions need to be asked. We need a proper review and no ones position should be safe. If we have to go one step backwards to go two forward so be it. We are going no where at the moment.

                      The record since Round 11 speaks for itself. We have serious issues. Every time we turn the corner, I have given the group the benefit of doubt and then they let let us down again.

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                      • Mantis
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 15298

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                        We entered round 11 with five wins in a row and 7-3 record after our horror 0-2 start. We had corrected. I felt confident. We looked ready to have a proper assaults on the final four.

                        From round 11.

                        Round 11- lose to Suns by 7 (after getting out to a 20 point lead)
                        Round 12 - lose to Cats by 22 (after being two goals up in the 3rd quarter)
                        Round 13 - lose to Port by 22

                        Round 14 - beat North by 21
                        Round 15 - beat Freo by 29
                        Round 16 - lose to Pies by 12 (after getting out to a 20 point lead)
                        Round 17 - lose to Swans by 2 (after getting out to a 19 point lead)

                        Round 18 - beat Dons by 41
                        Round 19 - lose to GWS by 5 (after getting out to a 35 point lead)
                        Round 20 - beat Tigers by 55
                        Round 21 - lose to Hawks by 3 (after getting out to a 20 point lead twice)

                        That is four wins in the last eleven weeks. Wins only against North, Freo, Tigers and Dons who are basically shot. Nothing to really celebrate.

                        That is seven losses. In every single one of those losses we have been in a winning position at some point. We just can't get the job done at the moment. Three losses by less than a goal. Another by 7 points. Another by 12 points. That is five of the seven losses by less than two goals.

                        After what I saw against Hawthorn and basically another period where we went completely missing for 45 minutes and could not even touch the ball which comes down to effort and concentration, my patience has finally been extinguished. Everything was on the line. The entire season. We go missing.

                        My view has shifted. We need to put a bomb under the place and blow it up. Serious questions need to be asked. We need a proper review and no ones position should be safe. If we have to go one step backwards to go two forward so be in it. We are going no where at the moment.

                        The record since Round 11 speaks for itself. We have serious issues. Every time we turn the corner, I have given the group the benefit of doubt and then they let let us down again.
                        Great analysis. The evidence supports the need for change and even the most ardent supporters of the current regime must be willing to accept something is amiss. We need to work out what it is a fix it. Standing still isn’t an option.

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                        • bulldogtragic
                          The List Manager
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 34316

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Just about post of the year. The facts as they are. Thanks AP for that work.
                          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 44183

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            Good points AP. The thing that is really knocking our supporters around is that we have been in winning positions in enough games to be a top 4 side. We have to be better than being a club that frequently limps into the top 8 but rarely gets into a position to genuinely threaten the competition.
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                            • angelopetraglia
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 6774

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein

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                              • angelopetraglia
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 6774

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by GVGjr
                                Good points AP. The thing that is really knocking our supporters around is that we have been in winning positions in enough games to be a top 4 side. We have to be better than being a club that frequently limps into the top 8 but rarely gets into a position to genuinely threaten the competition.
                                Yes. Agree.

                                If it happens once or twice or three times. You may say you are unlucky. Things didn't go our way. When it happens consistently over a long period and you never, ever get the job done. Not once can you convert a winning position in a crunch game to a win against a quality opponent. It ain't unlucky. It ain't things going against you. It is you. (In reference to the excuses Bevo is throwing up about losing key defenders against the Swans and GWS).

                                We need stop looking through the window and into the mirror (reference: https://www.millennialleadership.net...dership-model/). Something systematic is wrong and broken.

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