AFL Draft Day 2 & Rookie Draft

[Dry Rot]

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Most of these are largely from Rookie Me so maybe have a read of the profiles there

Thanks.

So overall, how do you rate the 2023 draft?

I seem to recall some earlier commentary suggesting that it was a weak a draft after about the first 12 picks.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I dont think he's been that far off it TBB

Its a notoriously difficult position that half forward flank, and he's been a pretty good tackler, pretty courageous - we havent functioned well forward of the ball during his time. Hes played 42 games over 3 seasons suggesting the match committee have seen enough to like what hes contributing to the team. I dont think his conversion has been quite good enough 19.19 with 8 goal assists, but I dont think hes been too far away from maybe being a handy defensive forward.

I do agree it's probably the most difficult position to play, but that's why you need an elite asset - pace, goal scoring ability, playmaking, something. I think what you see is what you get with him and I thought now would have been a good time to punt on another prospect.

He's had 3 years and he's no better than day one.

[Dry Rot]

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Club frustration grows over AFL’s next generation academy rules at draft

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/22/afl-draft-2023-club-next-generation-academy-rules

West Coast want a “discussion” on the AFL’s controversial next generation academies, admitting to frustration at losing Lance Collard to St Kilda in the national draft.

The NGA system was a big talking point around the national draft on Monday and Tuesday nights. Gold Coast, as one of the four northern clubs, were able to recruit four of their academy players in the first round and it is tipped to be a bumper crop for the Suns.

But under AFL rules, the other 14 clubs could not stop rival clubs poaching their NGA players if they were nominated inside the first 40 selections. So Collard, a highly rated Eagles academy prospect, was snapped up by St Kilda at pick 28....

[macca]

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Is this from typing on a phone?

Yes , I suffer from this phone typing syndrome.you now it welk h@hush, is there a cure ? Gets hard with long posts and small text.
Apologies to woofers who have to put up with my mispelling and at times poor grammer.

[macca]

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Club frustration grows over AFL’s next generation academy rules at draft

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/22/afl-draft-2023-club-next-generation-academy-rules

West Coast want a “discussion” on the AFL’s controversial next generation academies, admitting to frustration at losing Lance Collard to St Kilda in the national draft.

The NGA system was a big talking point around the national draft on Monday and Tuesday nights. Gold Coast, as one of the four northern clubs, were able to recruit four of their academy players in the first round and it is tipped to be a bumper crop for the Suns.

But under AFL rules, the other 14 clubs could not stop rival clubs poaching their NGA players if they were nominated inside the first 40 selections. So Collard, a highly rated Eagles academy prospect, was snapped up by St Kilda at pick 28....

Whats the point of running NGA if clubs cant pick their players , if they dont have enough top 40 picks ? It just complicates and also does not develop any loyalty to the club. It also devalues the whole acaedemy investment. City hall getting it wrong again.

If we could have picked up JUH for a 2nd round pick , we could had a top 20 pick which could have nabbed us a good midfielder

[hujsh]

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Whats the point of running NGA if clubs cant pick their players , if they dont have enough top 40 picks ? It just complicates and also does not develop any loyalty to the club. It also devalues the whole acaedemy investment.

You can't have an academy system and a fair draft system. Either accept that good players will occasionally be taken early under that system and that it will compromise the fairness of the draft (same as Father/Son picks) or completely divorce it from clubs

[macca]

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You can't have an academy system and a fair draft system. Either accept that good players will occasionally be taken early under that system and that it will compromise the fairness of the draft (same as Father/Son picks) or completely divorce it from clubs

Why cant they just have a separate draft for NGA players ? Force clubs to reserver at least 1-2 list spot on club list or add another list type for NGA player ? This way the club gets their top NGa playrrr , and validates their investment .

So the top4 clubs would be asking , why do wen invesf in X dollars if we cant pick thse kids in 2-3 yearas time?

[hujsh]

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Why cant they just have a separate draft for NGA players ? Force clubs to reserver at least 1-2 list spot on club list or add another list type for NGA player ? This way the club gets their top NGa playrrr , and validates their investment .

So the top4 clubs would be asking , why do wen invesf in X dollars if we cant pick thse kids in 2-3 yearas time?

I guess it's not a draft at that point. It's bringing in academy players directly without a draft cost. I suppose you could do that but it still has the end goal of severely undermining the integrity of the draft and the reason it exists.

[macca]

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I hear what your saying , the NGA investmemt is collectively develop the talent pool with non tradition paths for some players, with some restrictions they can get picked up in the ND. You could also argue the ones not picked on ND or rookie , they are still available to other clubs

[westbulldog]

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McNeill should be nowhere near best 22, waste of a list spot imo and he had had chances.

[hujsh]

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I hear what your saying , the NGA investmemt is collectively develop the talent pool with non tradition paths for some players, with some restrictions they can get picked up in the ND. You could also argue the ones not picked on ND or rookie , they are still available to other clubs

Personally I'd lean towards the AFL taking over the academies with club oversight from the clubs. Alternatively just let clubs match bids on their academy prospects with no discount

[Hotdog60]

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It was just a knee jerk reaction to us getting JUH. Matching bids and finding points was fair enough.

[ledge]

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Can I have the word rookie explained to me in AFL language because how a player with a premiership, 150 games , 32yo,13 years in the system is a rookie is beyond my comprehension of a rookie.

[GVGjr]

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Can I have the word rookie explained to me in AFL language because how a player with a premiership, 150 games , 32yo,13 years in the system is a rookie is beyond my comprehension of a rookie.

Clubs keep manipulating things and the old terminology means nothing now.

[macca]

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Can I have the word rookie explained to me in AFL language because how a player with a premiership, 150 games , 32yo,13 years in the system is a rookie is beyond my comprehension of a rookie.

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We found a way to keep Duryea at the club. My assumption is we delisted him , no club picked him other than is as a rookie. Call it manipulation or whatever.

Senior player, in twilight of career. If we get more than 10 games from him its massive bonus. His leadership is valued and onfield coaching and developmemt of youngsters. The club had a plan to keep him at the club.
But its probably not in the spirit of the rookie system