Tim English - What Price do you pay?

[Bornadog]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

English's contested work has definitely dropped away from last year, but I really don't understand the angst around his place at the club. He has to be the best performing scapegoat supporters have ever had.

Hypothetically we're going to pay him $1m a year, not hypothetically we are paying Jamarra $1m a year. One is a proven elite performer, the other is rated 32nd out of the 38 key forwards to play 6 or more matches this year.

I get that he's not a loveable bash and crash ruckman, he's not the People's Beard. But he is good, and totally not the problem!

I too don't get it either. All the stats show as a ruckman, Tim is in the top 3 or 4 in the AFL, but people prefer to judge him differently.

[chef]

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I too don't get it either. All the stats show as a ruckman, Tim is in the top 3 or 4 in the AFL, but people prefer to judge him differently.

I think it shows stats can't always be trusted, your eyes don't lie

[Bornadog]

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I think it shows stats can't always be trusted, your eyes don't lie

sorry, I don't trust anyones eyes

[ReLoad]

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Hes a Fwd Ruck, its as simple as that, hes not a full time middle of the ground ruckman. for the umpteenth time we saw again yesterday he got toweled up in the middle by a worse than average plodder.

However his forward work is fantastic, his running into position and great hands are where his strength lies.

800k PA not a cent more.

[chef]

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sorry, I don't trust anyones eyes

TBH that comes across as a bit disrespectful towards this great community of Dogs supporters on here.

What's the point of joining in the discussion then?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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English is playing like someone who has a lot on their mind.

Kind of like he has made the decision he is leaving at years end.

His game against Essendon was his worst performance in a number of years and yesterday's first half against the Hawks was bloody close to his effort against the bombers.

I reckon the club might also know this and are fast tracking Sam Darcy by giving him more ruck time during the match - a number of times throughout the season Darcy has taken the ruck contest with English in the vicinity.

This is what I was concerned about at the end of last season and why I wanted out of contract players signed up earlier in the year.

Multiple uncontracted stars is a huge distraction and you've got to think the players themselves would be affected wondering if everyone is in it together.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Hes a Fwd Ruck, its as simple as that, hes not a full time middle of the ground ruckman. for the umpteenth time we saw again yesterday he got toweled up in the middle by a worse than average plodder.

However his forward work is fantastic, his running into position and great hands are where his strength lies.

800k PA not a cent more.

Exactly this. Not sure why people would be happy getting pushed around at stoppages every bloody week. His timidness in ruck contests absolutely kills us.

I'm happy to keep him, but he would have to be the second ruck option.

[Sedat]

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I too don't get it either. All the stats show as a ruckman, Tim is in the top 3 or 4 in the AFL, but people prefer to judge him differently.

Trust your eyes BAD. He is passive and regularly overwhelmed in aerial contests and ruck stoppages (unless he is playing against an absolute clydesdale), and he is incredibly damaging as a link man around the ground when he has time and space.

This is what Tim is. Either we accept it or we don't. If he continues to be out-worked and out-muscled in contested situations as he was last night (and honestly for most of his career), other clubs will not be coming with the golden ticket for him that he might have expected at the end of last season.

We need to deploy him to maximise his great strengths. He is an aerobic beast and we are desperately short for run and carry in the midfield and on the wings, and we are obviously short for aerial assistance down back. He needs to be used as our Blicavs in a variety of roles depending on opposition/match-ups, not just the binary big dog no 1 ruck that he is a) not suited to and b) actually plays to his weaknesses.

[bulldogtragic]

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Trust your eyes BAD. He is passive and regularly overwhelmed in aerial contests and ruck stoppages (unless he is playing against an absolute clydesdale), and he is incredibly damaging as a link man around the ground when he has time and space.

This is what Tim is. Either we accept it or we don't. If he continues to be out-worked and out-muscled in contested situations as he was last night (and honestly for most of his career), other clubs will not be coming with the golden ticket for him that he might have expected at the end of last season.

We need to deploy him to maximise his great strengths. He is an aerobic beast and we are desperately short for run and carry in the midfield and on the wings, and we are obviously short for aerial assistance down back. He needs to be used as our Blicavs in a variety of roles depending on opposition/match-ups, not just the binary big dog no 1 ruck that he is a) not suited to and b) actually plays to his weaknesses.

This is what frustrates me about Tim and trying to discuss him. He has a bunch of elite traits, but gun first ruck isn’t one of them. He could be a weapon in multiple ways for us if we wanted. We just won’t play him other than in roles where guys like Meek look like the million dollar men. But we apparently have to ruck him, play Naughton forward, play fringe players, but Richards up the ground, play Khamis who we’ve been grooming as a defender as a forward last year knowing he wouldn’t play, play Lobb on the wing at times last year, play JJ as a poor forward for years, not rotate CBAs, throw Daniel around until he can’t play any role, get fringe blokes like Harmes and not use them as publicly stated, etc. etc.

Hence why maybe a new coach might change some positions up. Tim can play. I want him on a fair price playing in a dangerous role. But if it’s first ruck, then give me Lobb/Darcy, pick 9 and a million bucks.

[Bornadog]

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Trust your eyes BAD. He is passive and regularly overwhelmed in aerial contests and ruck stoppages (unless he is playing against an absolute clydesdale), and he is incredibly damaging as a link man around the ground when he has time and space.

This is what Tim is. Either we accept it or we don't. If he continues to be out-worked and out-muscled in contested situations as he was last night (and honestly for most of his career), other clubs will not be coming with the golden ticket for him that he might have expected at the end of last season.

We need to deploy him to maximise his great strengths. He is an aerobic beast and we are desperately short for run and carry in the midfield and on the wings, and we are obviously short for aerial assistance down back. He needs to be used as our Blicavs in a variety of roles depending on opposition/match-ups, not just the binary big dog no 1 ruck that he is a) not suited to and b) actually plays to his weaknesses.

We know he is not a contested beast, and I agree with that. But every other trait he is elite. The contested stuff is taken care of by the mids, and I am happy with that. The ball is more on the ground than it is up in the air.

PS: He is 4th in contested marks for all rucks.

[westbulldog]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

If he goes to WC they may well play him at CHF and he will be the best in the AFL in that position.

[angelopetraglia]

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If he goes to WC they may well play him at CHF and he will be the best in the AFL in that position.

Well if that is there intent, Tim won't be going there on what he has told everyone supposedly. He wants to be a number #1 ruckman. Not a forward. Not a forward/ruckman. A #1 ruckman.

[ReLoad]

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Well if that is there intent, Tim won't be going there on what he has told everyone supposedly. He wants to be a number #1 ruckman. Not a forward. Not a forward/ruckman. A #1 ruckman.

And I want to be Chief tasting officer at Cadbury, but if someone pays me a million bucks a year to move boxes at the Cadbury factory instead, ill do it.

[angelopetraglia]

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And I want to be Chief tasting officer at Cadbury, but if someone pays me a million bucks a year to move boxes at the Cadbury factory instead, ill do it.

What about if you could get $800K per annum to the be Chief Tasting Officer at Cadbury? Only $100K difference after tax. I don't know. Do you do what you like doing or do you take extra money to take on a role you don't like?

I know which path I would choose.

[EasternWest]

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And I want to be Chief tasting officer at Cadbury, but if someone pays me a million bucks a year to move boxes at the Cadbury factory instead, ill do it.

Shut the forum down thanks Gary. This is the single best riposte ever posted on this site. We've peaked. No point continuing.