Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

[kickit2Koly]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I'd rather swap Dale and Williams - move Williams to half back where he does his best work and move Dale further up the ground and get him to utilise his pace and good foot skills.

yeah good call, although if we are dropping/ subbing Macrae and and Daniel he should be held to the same standard.

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

There was one play where VDM got the ball on the outer wing/ flank and put a decent entry in, and it then went near side pocket and VDM was all of a sudden there putting pressure on.

At that point people potted him for being shit for not executing the pressure as well as you might like, but nobody really acknowledged he covered 80m to do it in rapid time.

I'm not a VDM fan by any stretch, but a bit of balance is needed in assessing what he does, versus what someone else might do in his place. Not sure we have anyone else on the list willing to run like that.

[whythelongface]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Treloar may have got a fair bit of it but felt he did little to help our cause.
Daniel has become a liability.
Maybe it's time to swap Dale and VDM around and see how it goes at least Dale knows were the goals are from 15 metres out and we would break even with VDM in the backline.

I don’t get the criticism of Treloar. Sure there were a couple of poor decisions but if you get the ball that much it happens. Thought he was excellent overall.

[josie]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I am still seething over the free against Flea when he was trying to handball to West and the umpire called it insufficient bullshit. They took that all the way for a goal.

Anyway, at one stage I thought we were going to get smashed, but we fought on.

Yeah-that was a bad decision by ump. That and the Stengle mark which wasn?t. We were lucky Cameron didn?t kick accurately but then again he was extremely influential marking so well everywhere (aaargh).

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

There was one play where VDM got the ball on the outer wing/ flank and put a decent entry in, and it then went near side pocket and VDM was all of a sudden there putting pressure on.

At that point people potted him for being shit for not executing the pressure as well as you might like, but nobody really acknowledged he covered 80m to do it in rapid time.

I'm not a VDM fan by any stretch, but a bit of balance is needed in assessing what he does, versus what someone else might do in his place. Not sure we have anyone else on the list willing to run like that.

You need to do more than run in this game. His effort is great, but a lot of his running is dumb running. It's not actually pressuring the opposition when you run past the player , or make yourself the 'over the top' handball cone.

If we want a runner, let's go get a marathon runner.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Cody Weightman 8 tackles tonight with a busted elbow is a great effort. That is the second most tackles he has ever had in a game.

[Sedat]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

And one of our 3 wins since 2009 against Geelong was Harry Taylor crapping the bed after the siren. Total bunnies.

[kickit2Koly]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

He was excellent in 2022 and should have been All Australian. Agree that he wasn't great last year and that he's been patchy after an interrupted start to the year.

Yeah you’re right, I should have been more specific. He hasn’t been good for 12 months.

[josie]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I'll forego a future flag just to beat them at full strength once.

Yeah, nah.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

He annoys me in the lethargic way he moves. One passage of play he lets Cameron go past him and didn't move at all to put any sort of pressure on him just kept jogging in a straight line with arms flapping.
If he doesn't get pill there's not much happening after that. It might be because of all the injuries he's had in the past who knows.
I don't see live game so my perspective is narrow.

[hujsh]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Treloar 37
Bont 35
Libba 35

Each of them also kick a goal. Yet we lose the game and the inside 50m count as well.

I think with us that's not the best way to judge if we're at our best. Yes those three are important players but to some extent the more we rely on them the worse we are. When we're doing really well others are stepping up and taking some of the load themselves. Sanders had 23 touches, Richards 21. No one else had over 20.

Obviously there were other important contributors, Darcy 3 goals, Jones lots of intercept marks, Weightman pressure and a couple goals, but that's too much in the hands of too few. We needed more from JJ, Bramble, Dale, Baker (though I think what he brought was impactful actually), Daniel, Gallager, Naughton, Vandermere and Williams.

I'd also hope for more from English TBH. If he was better than Stanley it wasn't by much.

We can't ask for much more from those three you mentioned (though I'd take a bit less from 2 of them at times in exchange for improved defensive efforts and more sound decision making) but there's a lot more we can ask for from nearly the majority of the 22.

Really hurts that Daniel is looking so lost

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

That was never a mark. Why review when you still guess? Should always take the lesser.

The decision was clearly as soon as he touched it he was deemed to be controlling it, and that's just bullshit given his hand positions once the ball crossed the line.

Arseholes will say it was fine, but it's not.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

That was never a mark. Why review when you still guess? Should always take the lesser.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1776564521231859754

AFL are a joke as a so called professional sport admin

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

Treloar

37 touches
A great goal under pressure to give us a chance
5 tackles
561 metres gained (only behind Bont)
6 clearances (only behind Libba and Bont)
6 inside 50m
11 contested possesions (only behind Libibba and Bont)

Yes, he does rush a few kicks around the corner at times for easy turnovers. His disposal effeciency was only 60%. But Libba is 65% and Bont is also 60% yet they don't get the same scrunity for it. His possesions are generally in traffic and under pressure.

[jeemak]

Re: Bulldogs V Cats - Round 4 (Gather Round), 6/4/24 Adelaide Oval 8:10pm AEST

I don’t get the criticism of Treloar. Sure there were a couple of poor decisions but if you get the ball that much it happens. Thought he was excellent overall.

How did you like the bit where the Cats were sixty out and he didn't put any frontal pressure onto the ball carrier and Henry got the easy lead up mark?

That was unbelievably bad.

However, his output outweighs the negatives, but he should still be subject to criticism like everyone else.