Tom Barrass

[jazzadogs]

Making his own thread, as it seems our interest is legitimate and ongoing.

Tom Morris is reporting that he has been offered five years from the Bulldogs. He is contracted for three years at the Eagles plus an extension of one.

Reposting what I just put in the List Management thread...

Never played over 20 games. Starting from his debut season of 2015: 3, 10, 19, 19, 14, 18, 16, 19, 14, 17.

Recent injuries with lengthy layoffs include a stress fracture in his foot in 2019, a hip injury in 2023 and a fractured back which he says he will have to manage for the rest of his career:

"West Coast premiership hero Tom Barrass has opened up on the back injury that almost ended his AFL career and permanently altered his life.
Sitting down with 7NEWS for an exclusive interview, the 28-year-old said he's lucky to still be walking, let alone playing.
Barrass broke his back in a split-second contest against Richmond last year.
"I went up for a mark. Jack Riewoldt came back into me and tunnelled me a little bit. I've gone over and landed on my neck effectively," he told 7NEWS Perth's Ryan Daniels.
'It was a compression fracture to my T8 (vertebrae) and I've wedged about five of my other vertebrae a bit shorter. It's just something I'm going to have to manage forever.
"I'm very lucky that I'm not a paraplegic or quadriplegic."

I think there are good reasons to be concerned about his longevity. I'm a fan of recruiting him, but five years is a big investment...


So I think there are a few key questions about Barrass...
- how many years/what salary do you think is reasonable?
- what trade price do you think is reasonable?
- is he even GETTABLE?

[Go_Dogs]

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Lobb > Barrass

[Go_Dogs]

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On a serious note, it’s worth consideration as he’ll play for a longer term than Jones and is a quality player.

Would I pay an early first for him? No.

Would I pay a late first and something else? Probably.

Does he keep Buss from the senior side once he’s ready? Maybe.

[hujsh]

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Even if he says he wants to come his contract status will make it hard for any deal to happen you'd think. Can see their price being too high and walking away from a first rounder

[Grantysghost]

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We need our eye in the sky over in the west to give us their thoughts.

[bulldogtragic]

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A. He’s currently on $750,000 a year according to old reports on Google. You’d have to think that’s the starting point. So let’s look at his comp wide rankings:

* Ranked 9th in One Percenters Per Game
● Ranked 13th in Intercepts Per Game
● Ranked 18th in Time On Ground % Per Game
● Ranked 5th in Total One Percenters
● Ranked 7th in Total Intercepts
● Ranked 12th in Total Contested Marks
● Ranked 17th in Total Marks


So he’s clearly not going backwards in form. 7th for intercepts, 12th for CM. Naughton gets $1.1M and Marra a $1M. Barrass output probably gets him closer to that. Perhaps more around $850,000. If we need to incentivise him to request us, maybe $900,000. Which when accounting for cap rises isn’t massive.

4 years and a 5th trigger similar to Keath sounds fair. Although I’m not against the 5th.

It’s on us to get him to request a trade out and select us. An ok deal ain’t doing that. So unless we want to get him to want to leave and select us, we need to offer a deal that does that. It’s simple. He’s not moving across the country away from family and friends for a similar deal.


B. Let’s say Smith goes to Geelong for their first and a swap of their F1 for our F2. WCE have reportedly shown interest in Garcia according to media reports. Garcia doesn’t hold huge value but may be a player of interest. So perhaps the Geelong first this year (mid teen to late teen pick after compo and bids etc) and Garcia.


C. Don’t know. But his management are clearly letting WCE management know they want the 5th year. So I guess we offer it and see what WCE want to do.

[bulldogtragic]

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Does he keep Buss from the senior side once he’s ready? Maybe.

on list transition though. Say Keath retires.

Next year:

Jones, Barass, Lobb, Buss, JOD (Khamis hopefully more 3rd tall with freedom to intercept more), Croft developing and Gardner hanging around

2026:

Barass, Lobb, Buss, JOD, Croft as a third year tall & Khamis


That looks pretty solid the next two years and if Croft & Khamis keep developing, it’s solid longer term too. It basically shores up our KPD & KPF for years (assuming they all re-sign).

[bulldogtragic]

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Additionally, if Baz leaves, Tim stays on a fair wage and the club doesn’t bid against itself and say one of Macrae or Daniel looks at another club (media reports of interest in them) then there’s going to be some cash around the place even after Naughty & Marra signing and Darcy needing more, sooner. So I’m not as hung up here if other salary cap decisions are also balanced.

Per the percentage thread I’ve been updating, our scoring this year is above trend. Our defence needs to save a goal a game to get to 2016 & 2021 levels. Barass probably does that for us. He probably helps at least secure one more win this year in which case we are well into the top 8. So it makes a lot of sense.

[bulldogtragic]

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This is the grab from Morris:

Tom Barrass (West Coast)

“Tom Barrass is genuinely weighing up what he wants to do.

“I think this is flipping and flopping.

“The Adam Simpson departure I think increases the chances that he stays.

“It's just a waiting game at the moment. Of course, West Coast can hold on to him - he’s got three years remaining on a deal.

“But my understanding is the Dogs would be willing to offer at least two more seasons on top of that.

“So five years for a player who turns 29 soon and as a flow on, it'll be interesting to see how this affects Rory Lobb as well.

“It's just whether he wants to go there and whether West Coast could facilitate that.”

[bulldogtragic]

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Morris additionally:

Tim English (Western Bulldogs)

“Tim English is the other one.

“Rivals believe this deal at West Coast is six years and not as lucrative financially as it once was.

“The Dogs have five on the table. That's where it's at and I don't think the Dogs are going to shift too much given Luke Beverage's views on ruckmen.

“He can leave if he wants and I think that looks more likely now than staying.”


(Maybe we let him go as a RFA getting us first round compo and do a trade of say the Geelong first & Garcia.)

[bulldogfan]

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But also cal twomey said english was close to signing so don?t know who to believe

[Bornadog]

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I donot want Barrass on a 5 year deal. He is almost 29 years old and would be 34 in his last year - a big risk.

If it was the 3 years, fine.

I think we need to really put all our development into Buss and back him in. As BT pointed out we do have backups for the Backline roles.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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I?m not sold on it by the way. We have a couple of years of Jones left so can see the development of Lobb, JOD, Croft etc this and next year.

Recutting looks really balanced and measles right now.

For mine the latest gap right now is the replacement of Libba, Doc and a Weightman if he is injured

[Jasper]

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On a serious note, it’s worth consideration as he’ll play for a longer term than Jones and is a quality player.

Would I pay an early first for him? No.

Would I pay a late first and something else? Probably.

Does he keep Buss from the senior side once he’s ready? Maybe.

He's a quality player but 5 years is a massive commitment. I guess it all depends on how it's structured. Does he want out of WA for any particular reason other than the Eagles are a work in progress and will be for a while? I can't imagine a new coach will want to let hom out of his contract unless he's instructed to rebuild the playing list by the draft.

[Testekill]

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I feel he'd cost a lot of resources to bring over, now that Busslinger has re-signed he'd have been the player that I could have seen being the bartering chip to get Barass but I don't think there's a way to satisfy the Eagles without him.