For once I agree with Eddie McGuire

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: For once I agree with Eddie McGuire

If the Tiges want him they should claim him with the pick they have

It's that straightforward. Richmond should not get salary cap relief to get him as Ben should be playing for minimum wage

[Missing Dog]

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Rodney Eade said on the Bulldogs site what about a player injured and out for the year there is no compensation the Polak matter is the same as Darcy doing his knee before X-mas

[Twodogs]

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There is one major reason the two cases are different.

Ramanaskas was out of contract and would have been delisted.

Polak is still on contract next year so he will be getting paid regardless. How will transferring him to a different list help his recovery?

All putting Polak on the mature rookie list will do is give Richmond salary cap relief.

Exactly.



This is a cynical ploy by Richmond and I hope the AFL say no.

[LostDoggy]

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Exactly.



This is a cynical ploy by Richmond and I hope the AFL say no.

The AFL has to say no. It is an obvious manipulation of the rules aimed at topping up the tigers list without the expense of an early pick.

Clubs are penalised for trying to find ways around the salary cap, why should the draft be any different.

[Desipura]

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There is one major reason the two cases are different.

Ramanaskas was out of contract and would have been delisted.

Polak is still on contract next year so he will be getting paid regardless. How will transferring him to a different list help his recovery?

All putting Polak on the mature rookie list will do is give Richmond salary cap relief.

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Why would Essendon get permission to do it with Ramanaskas and not Richmond with Polak? SS
Sockeye, so do you still believe I quote "the AFL should either have a rule allowing non-football-related illness/accidents or not."
Interested in your response

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Sockeye, so do you still believe I quote "the AFL should either have a rule allowing non-football-related illness/accidents or not."
Interested in your response

Personally, I think not, but I don't really care that much. What I do want is a clear rule that everyone has to follow (whether the media want to carry on about their latest topic of the week or not).

[The Coon Dog]

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RICHMOND'S Ben Cousins bid has hit a hurdle, with the AFL refusing a request to placing Graham Polak on the rookie list.

The Tigers had asked the AFL Commission for dispensation to place Polak on the rookie list, which would have given them an extra pick in tomorrow's pre-season draft, and given them more salary cap space.

Now, if the Tigers still want Cousins, they will have to use their one pick in the PSD - No.6 - to take Cousins, breaking the heart of one of the young players hoping to be picked up.

It is believed the Richmond board will meet tonight to consider their options.

Tigers president Gary March said on Friday that the club has committed to recruiting a younger player tomorrow with their existing pick.

March said the club would only make a move for Cousins if the AFL Commission gave their approval to Polak being re-classified as a mature-aged rookie.

Polak is recovering from serious head injuries suffered when he was hit by a tram mid-way through last season.

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou said the Commission had refused Richmond's application because clubs were able to place players in Polak's situaton on the long-term injury list and elevate another player from the rookie list for the season.

"The AFL player rules already deal with this situation whereby a player is unable to play for an extended period of time. In that situation, a club is able to place a player on the long-term injury list and upgrade a rookie list player to take his place," he said

"The commission also took into account the views of the clubs and the timing of the submission. "

Several clubs had expressed their opposition to the timing of Richmond's move to place Polak to the rookie list.

But there has been widespread goodwill in the football community to the 30-year-old Cousins being given a chance to rebuild his career.

The AFL deregistered him late last year for bringing the game into disrepute and last month gave the 2005 Brownlow medallist permission to play again.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24802091-661,00.html

[LostDoggy]

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Yes, it's hit a real hurdle and they are called "The Rules"

[LostDoggy]

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Okay, is there something I'm missing here?

Can't Richmond just draft Cousins with their pre-season pick, recruit to their rookie list the kid they've previously committed to with their pre-season pick, put Polak on the long-term injury list, and elevate the kid (or any other rookie) to their playing list?

Or is simple logic too much to ask from this confused game and its befuddled stakeholders (clubs, commissions, media...). It's like no one in football actually stops to think -- this game is addicted to low-brow, sad, fact-free, B-grade opinionated drama over anything of rational substance. Boy is AFL really starting to give me the shits. This stuff used to be just annoying, but it's just absolute bollocks now.

[GVGjr]

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Okay, is there something I'm missing here?

Can't Richmond just draft Cousins with their pre-season pick, recruit to their rookie list the kid they've previously committed to with their pre-season pick, put Polak on the long-term injury list, and elevate the kid (or any other rookie) to their playing list?

Or is simple logic too much to ask from this confused game and its befuddled stakeholders (clubs, commissions, media...). It's like no one actually stops to think -- this game is addicted to low-brow, sad, fact-free, B-grade opinionated drama over anything of rational substance. Boy is AFL really starting to give me the shits. This stuff used to be just annoying, but it's just absolute bollocks now.

I think they gave a commitment to David Gourdis before Cousins convinced them that he was worth a punt.

[LostDoggy]

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Hi Gary.

Why can't they just recruit Gourdis to the rookie list, put Polak on the long-term injury list, then elevate Gourdis from the rookie list?

[The Coon Dog]

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Hi Gary.

Why can't they just recruit Gourdis to the rookie list, put Polak on the long-term injury list, then elevate Gourdis from the rookie list?

Because that's too much like common sense.

[GVGjr]

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Hi Gary.

Why can't they just recruit Gourdis to the rookie list, put Polak on the long-term injury list, then elevate Gourdis from the rookie list?

Because they believe that Freo will select him before their rookie draft pick plus they gave a commitment that he would be added to the senior list.

[The Coon Dog]

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Because they believe that Freo will select him before their rookie draft pick plus they gave a commitment that he would be added to the senior list.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Richmond a) delist Gourdis & b) pass on their last pick in the National Draft??

[azabob]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Richmond a) delist Gourdis & b) pass on their last pick in the National Draft??

Yep they certainly did.