On the Couch - Fox Sports

[Mantis]

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Who talked us up before this week?

Sheahan said we would finish between 3rd & 6th. I think that's a pretty fair prediction.

[Dazza]

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I think we'll get a few members signing up this weekend. Need a few games in melbourne to get people on board.

[Bornadog]

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Not sure that I agree with this BAD. How many commentators picked us to finish high up last year? From memory it was the vast majority and in the end we proved them right.
Did Caroline Wilson pick us as the minor premiers? Every time that she or Thomas have a crack at us they get knocked down. Sometimes that is deserved and occasionally it isn't.

Hawthorn and Geelong deserve to get the focus ahead of us and Carlton will get a lot this year because they are on the rise. Most in the media tip us as being a top 4 side but obviously it won't be everyone.

From a media perspective I don't think we are hard done by.

Seriously we are acting like we are victims when in fact we control a lot of our own destiny for media reporting.

Just because we don't get ongoing endorsements from everyone in the media it doesn't mean the poor old Dogs are being treated poorly.

My point was answering another posters point, so I am slightly out of context here.

[Missing-Dog]

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Not sure that I agree with this BAD. How many commentators picked us to finish high up last year? From memory it was the vast majority and in the end we proved them right...

I don't post much but I had to correct you on this. We were out of pretty much every media personality's top 8 early last year. I remeber thinking to myself "surely we cannot be this bad". James Hird from memory had us in his bottom 4 last year.

We just have to accept that some people (Hird, Sheedy, Thomas, etc) will give us nothing until we win a premiership, which is fair enough. Although, if they still talk up another team (like perennial 'gonna be' teams Fremantle, Carlton and Richmond) when/if we do I will lose my mind.

[alwaysadog]

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Totally agree with everything you have said GVGjr.
For some reason some people on this forum love digging the boots into Caroline Wilson. I would think she has written more positive articles on us this season than not.
And yes Caroline Wilson did pick us for minor premiers, even though Im sure that was a rhetorical question!!

I have a sneaking suspicion that I just might be one of the people you are talking about bob, but I think you are totally wrong in saying I get any delight from it. Perhaps you should ask if there is substance to the negative critique she is attracting rather than imply the problem lies on the side of those who find fault with her work. After all the purpose of this board is to conduct analysis and of all things football at as high a level as is possible and to back up what is being said with argument and evidence.

Those her read her critically pretty soon get a hang of the persuasive techniques she constantly employs and her biases. I would much prefer she exercised her journalistic skills with some intellectual integrity. I'm ready to applaud her when and if that day comes, but I've been waiting a very long time and she continues to disappoint.

Do you recall her piece about our Mission Foods sponsorship deal? Is it sticking the boots in to conduct a textual analysis of the piece, as they teach kids to do in year twelve, and to conclude that it was a biased, innuendo strewn piece of illogical writing.

If it was submitted as a year 12 piece of creative writing it would be a passable contribution, if it was submitted as a piece of serious analysis it would returned for a rewrite. Now is year 12 standard too much to expect of a senior journalist?

[alwaysadog]

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I get the felling from a number of Bulldogs supporters that if anyone from the media bags us then they are stupid and no good at their job. I know others have mentioned this but if I was Grant Thomas I would never have rated the Doggies that highly either.
Hirds entitled to his opinion as is Thomas and Caro. I don't agree with them but they are just doing their job.

You may be correct but I would think that the vast majority of negative comments about journalists etc. actually just don't throw around bald generalisations but ask those who criticise us to provide reasons and argument, especially those who over a long period have shown persistent unfair bias against the Dogs and don't provide logical reasons or evidence to support that opinion.

It is not enough to say someone is entitled to their opinion, not all opinions are valid or equally valuable... and many are just a smokescreen to conceal bias. Their job is to analyse and argue in a fair minded fashion not just to vomit up an opinion that has no substance.