Ins and Outs Round 4?

[Mantis]

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Nothing really. I thought he was decent but with the short turnaround, trip to WA and Skippers form in the VFL I thought it was worth considering giving Skip a go for a week.

Form in VFL practice matches should count for little.

[Rocco Jones]

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Form in VFL practice matches should count for little.

I agree that VFL form doesn't mean much but by that logic can Skipper ever get a game ahead of Minson? He can only beat the opponents that he is up against. I thought Minson was good at creating a contest against the Tigers during the 3rd quarter but I definitely have doubts about whether he should have a cemented spot in our side.

[LostDoggy]

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I'd prefer to see Tiller moved forward.

Lake, Tommy, Everitt, Hargrave, Morris, Gilbee and DFA and others to run off HB. I'd like to see him switched to deep forward to see what he is capable of. From recollection, he played forward in his junior days.

Agree, as far as I am aware, Tiller played most of his footy in the forward line before being picked up by the Dogs?? I did actually meet him when he was first at the club, and I'm sure he confirmed that to me in our conversation. I assumed that his time down back was a learning thing - most forwards have a stint in the backline as it usually helps when they go forward again??

[bulldogtragic]

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Agree, as far as I am aware, Tiller played most of his footy in the forward line before being picked up by the Dogs?? I did actually meet him when he was first at the club, and I'm sure he confirmed that to me in our conversation. I assumed that his time down back was a learning thing - most forwards have a stint in the backline as it usually helps when they go forward again??

Move Everitt back where his kicking and run is an asset and put Tiller up forward. I don't see the harm.

Especially this week, make Hunter and Glass accountable and keep them in the backline. And Gia to Wirrapunda.

[bulldogtragic]

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I agree that VFL form doesn't mean much but by that logic can Skipper ever get a game ahead of Minson? He can only beat the opponents that he is up against. I thought Minson was good at creating a contest against the Tigers during the 3rd quarter but I definitely have doubts about whether he should have a cemented spot in our side.

True, as well. But by that logic Street should have played the entire year in the AFL as he smashed the competition. My concern re: Street is the same for Skipper. Good VFL player who just can;t seem to play consistent footy in the AFL. He is still a fair bit behind Minson and if Roughy and Cordy are looking the goods come year's end, then i think Skip might be suited to Port Melbourne.

[Before I Die]

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Move Everitt back where his kicking and run is an asset and put Tiller up forward. I don't see the harm.

Especially this week, make Hunter and Glass accountable and keep them in the backline. And Gia to Wirrapunda.

The backline doesn't need any more run, but it does need to maintain its grunt. If we were to lose Hargrave, or Gilbee or Hill to injury, then I think Everitt would be the most likely replacement. The only thing Everitt and Tiller have in common is height. Callan and Wood match Tiller for grunt but neither have his height. I believe Tiller is a very important part of our backline at the moment, though I also agree he needs to continue to work on his disposal, much as Addison did two years ago,

[Rocco Jones]

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True, as well. But by that logic Street should have played the entire year in the AFL as he smashed the competition. My concern re: Street is the same for Skipper. Good VFL player who just can;t seem to play consistent footy in the AFL. He is still a fair bit behind Minson and if Roughy and Cordy are looking the goods come year's end, then i think Skip might be suited to Port Melbourne.

There is a big difference between giving a player a chance and giving him 'entire year in the AFL'. If he dominates the VFL surely he deserves one more chance. A lot of Bulldogs fans really view Minson through rose coloured glasses, I don't think any AFL listed ruckman is a 'fair bit behind' Will to be frank. He is a decent enough 2nd ruckman imo, nothing more.

[Missing Dog]

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Maybe I was at the wrong game yesterday Rocco but I doubt very much if Will will be rested and I also believe he has cemented his place in the side with his work ethic and his bulk

[Mantis]

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In: Harbrow

Out: Cooney

Saw that another poster asked why Harbrow missed yesterday, but as yet no reply.... Do we know if it was just a match-up decision?

Depending upon if we rest players I would look at bringing in any of Welsh, Reid or Everitt.

[Rocco Jones]

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Maybe I was at the wrong game yesterday Rocco but I doubt very much if Will will be rested and I also believe he has cemented his place in the side with his work ethic and his bulk

Again I thought he was decent but geez he is overrated. He was OK around the ground and average in the ruck and competitive up forward. We just seem to go nuts anytime he does something semi-decent. Is it really that impressive to be able to create a contest a few times when your opponent is a 2nd year player finding his feet (was it actually Rance? Apologies if not). If our side was struggling, the knives would be out for him.

[Rocco Jones]

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Just a few stats for the Will Minson has a cemented spot in the side crew.

This year he is averaging 10.6 disposals, 3.3 marks, 1.3 tackles and 7.7 hitouts a game. He has kicked 2 goals and had 1 direct goal assist.

Despite only gathering 32 touches for the year, Minson has had 8 clangers.

I still believe he is our 2nd best ruckman atm, just not totally sold on him having a cemented spot in the side and believe we should at least consider giving Skipper a go if he dominates in the VFL.

[LostDoggy]

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I don't think Minnow has a spot 'cemented', but everyone needs to forget what his age is and think of him as a 2nd year project power forward.

I was pretty surprised when he was earmarked for the role early last year -- personally thought that maybe Skipper was more suited, but then Wayde got himself injured and ended that debate. Will is a better second ruckman option when Huddo is resting anyway, and Rocket has always said that up forward, Will's job was to create a contest, and the signs this year are that, a lot more than last year, Will is getting to the right positions and starting to lead to the ball a lot more, getting close to marking a few more in the forwardline. He's also taken a couple of very strong grabs in the last couple of weeks and looked more likely to kick a couple.

After investing more than a year in his development in that position, it would be funny timing to pull the plug on the experiment just as there are signs of improvement.

[LostDoggy]

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In: Harbrow

Out: Cooney

Saw that another poster asked why Harbrow missed yesterday, but as yet no reply.... Do we know if it was just a match-up decision?

Depending upon if we rest players I would look at bringing in any of Welsh, Reid or Everitt.

I found this on the afl website. Its our injury list after round 3. Harbrow apparently has a hip complaint.

WESTERN BULLDOGS
Adam Cooney (knee) - 1 week
Jarrod Harbrow (hip) - test
Robert Murphy (knee) - test
Chris Ogle (glandular fever) - test
Paul O’Shea (hip) - indefinite
Jordan Roughead (shoulder) - 3 weeks

[Rocco Jones]

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After investing more than a year in his development in that position, it would be funny timing to pull the plug on the experiment just as there are signs of improvement.

Definitely not saying we should pull the plug on the experiment, just that we should consider giving Skipper a game. I don't think he will get in this week nor will I be disappointed if he doesn't. I just believe a lot of our fans gush over Minson because of things that have nothing to do with football. He is like a company with an awesome PR department but an ordinary product.

[Go_Dogs]

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Definitely not saying we should pull the plug on the experiment, just that we should consider giving Skipper a game. I don't think he will get in this week nor will I be disappointed if he doesn't. I just believe a lot of our fans gush over Minson because of things that have nothing to do with football. He is like a company with an awesome PR department but an ordinary product.

There were at least two goals from clearances that came about directly because of Will putting the ball to advantage. One down in our F 50, and the other straight after where he whacked it out the middle about 30 metres.