Ins and Outs Round 4?

[Rocco Jones]

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There were at least two goals from clearances that came about directly because of Will putting the ball to advantage. One down in our F 50, and the other straight after where he whacked it out the middle about 30 metres.

That's great work, but would we gushing so much about it if it were not Will Minson? A great hit out, being able to offer a contest against a 2nd year player and kicking a goal really doesn't constitute that good a game does it?

I think if he wasn't so loveable, more fans would be calling for him to get dropped.

Sorry, it seems like it must be me. I just find it very odd no one else thinks Eade and co. should even consider giving Skipper ahead of him.

[LostDoggy]

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Out:
Cooney
Picken - Unlucky, but i cant see him playing come finals time. Good honest back-up player, Boyd will have to play the close checking role.
Tiller

In;
Grant- Get some games into the kid.
Everitt
Reid or Okeefe

[Rocco Jones]

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Out:
Picken - Unlucky, but i cant see him playing come finals time. Good honest back-up player,

I can't believe I am saying this in the same thread where I also have him as an out but I definitely see Picken in our finals calculations. The only thing is that there are a few sides where there isn't an ideal match up for him and in these games he can become a bit of a liability. I would definitely have him in if we were playing against the Cats in a final next week.

[Ozza]

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Just a few stats for the Will Minson has a cemented spot in the side crew.

This year he is averaging 10.6 disposals, 3.3 marks, 1.3 tackles and 7.7 hitouts a game. He has kicked 2 goals and had 1 direct goal assist.

Despite only gathering 32 touches for the year, Minson has had 8 clangers.

I still believe he is our 2nd best ruckman atm, just not totally sold on him having a cemented spot in the side and believe we should at least consider giving Skipper a go if he dominates in the VFL.

I don't think you can judge Will's impact on stats. At the moment he is very important to the balance of the side. His physicality is very important - much like Mitch Hahn (whose stats are never that flash) you need enough strong bodies in there. We've been a side criticised fo our lack of physicality in the past - and these players are important in addressing that issue.

Aside from this - Wayde Skipper has had plenty of chances. So he would have to 'dominate' the VFL for a fair while before he should be in contention. He was woeful in his one senior hitout last year.

[Rocco Jones]

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I don't think you can judge Will's impact on stats. At the moment he is very important to the balance of the side. His physicality is very important - much like Mitch Hahn (whose stats are never that flash) you need enough strong bodies in there. We've been a side criticised fo our lack of physicality in the past - and these players are important in addressing that issue.

Aside from this - Wayde Skipper has had plenty of chances. So he would have to 'dominate' the VFL for a fair while before he should be in contention. He was woeful in his one senior hitout last year.

Fair enough point and as I've said a couple of times in this thread, I definitely have Will as our 2nd ruckman atm and also think he is decent enough in the position. The question I was raising was whether we give Skipper a go when the conditions this week seem to suit it. A 6 day turn around trip to WA would be a good time to rotate/rest Will, Subi is a bigger ground and I think Skip might be better suited in keeping up with him and last time Skip was up against Cox he was one of our better players (that being said about 80% of the game was junk time).

[Mofra]

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I found this on the afl website. Its our injury list after round 3. Harbrow apparently has a hip complaint.

WESTERN BULLDOGS
Jarrod Harbrow (hip) - test

Could be an out for this weekend - name him in the side, and he can withdraw late if match-ups dictate.

[Ozza]

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Fair enough point and as I've said a couple of times in this thread, I definitely have Will as our 2nd ruckman atm and also think he is decent enough in the position. The question I was raising was whether we give Skipper a go when the conditions this week seem to suit it. A 6 day turn around trip to WA would be a good time to rotate/rest Will, Subi is a bigger ground and I think Skip might be better suited in keeping up with him and last time Skip was up against Cox he was one of our better players (that being said about 80% of the game was junk time).

Its an interesting point - that of playing it horses for courses with match ups - which has been a success this year. Will be interesting to see which way they go with attacking Cox. Will did quite well covering a fair bit of ground on the weekend and seems in good nick running wise.

The way Cox works around the ground though - he hardly ever pushes forward - he is just like an extra midfielder. One way to look at it when Huddo is off would be that one of our mids could actually run around with Cox and Will could head down forward after the ruck contests.

[lemmon]

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Personally I think Minson is doing enough to justify his spot in the side but if we were to leave him out this week would it be more beneficial playing Wight in the ruck on the big ground at Subiaco.
IMO he would get more disposals then both Skipper and Minson and is better athletically. He wouldnt be able to play the forward line role but IMO Skipper is too undersized to play as a full time ruckmen in the AFL so in the center the differance between Skipper and Wight wouldnt be massive.

[jitboy]

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Out: Cooney
In: Harbrow

Will be interesting to see whether Aker plays, he keeps saying he wants to farewell each ground like Subi and AAMI, but with the coaching staff saying they wanted to manage his matches this year it would seem like a good week to rest him from the long distance travel.

If they do I just hope his form doesn't go off because he looks in great touch atm.

[The Underdog]

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Personally I think Minson is doing enough to justify his spot in the side but if we were to leave him out this week would it be more beneficial playing Wight in the ruck on the big ground at Subiaco.
IMO he would get more disposals then both Skipper and Minson and is better athletically. He wouldnt be able to play the forward line role but IMO Skipper is too undersized to play as a full time ruckmen in the AFL so in the center the differance between Skipper and Wight wouldnt be massive.

The difference is that Skipper is an undersized ruckman while Wight despite the fact that he is 200cm is not a ruckman's big toe. Skipper is also vastly stronger in a contest. I don't agree that Wight'd get more disposals than Skipper or Minson and based on reports from the VFL his form doesn't warrant it in the slightest. I'd think a fit Roughead would be ahead of Wight in the ruck stakes.

[mighty_west]

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I thought last week would have been perfect to blood young Grant, against a young backline and struggling side, especially with Murph & Welsh still out.

He could get a call up this week on the open spaces at Subi as a leading forward, will have plenty of space to move and once again, against a lower side, Glass will most likely pick up Johnno.

So for me, this week i'd go for:

In : Grant, Everitt
Out : Cooney, Tiller

I'm not too sure if they have too many dangerous forwards, so the rebound from Everitt could work in our favour, Tiller may not have a match up, plus he turned the ball over [out of bounds] too much against the Tigers.

[Missing Dog]

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Personally I think Minson is doing enough to justify his spot in the side but if we were to leave him out this week would it be more beneficial playing Wight in the ruck on the big ground at Subiaco.
IMO he would get more disposals then both Skipper and Minson and is better athletically. He wouldnt be able to play the forward line role but IMO Skipper is too undersized to play as a full time ruckmen in the AFL so in the center the differance between Skipper and Wight wouldnt be massive.

I have been Cams biggest supporter but I doubt we will see him again unless his use of the ball greatly increases or we have a horrible horrible run with injuries along with Skipper just looking like a Willy player for mine.

[The Coon Dog]

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Skipper just looking like a Willy player for mine.

Speaking from experience?

[Missing Dog]

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Speaking from experience?

Do i look like a pom Coon Dog hahahaha

[Mofra]

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Little snippet on the news - Harbrow seemed to be running fine.

I'm expecting him to play; two weeks off and he hasn't played poorly when he's been in.