Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

[mjp]

Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

Couldn't have said it better myself, he cops a bad wrap for a player that wasn't brought up on Aussie rules, to be recruited to fill such an important role in a side.

Everything you said is fair enough...except this. He is never, ever criticised by supporters. I guess that is the basis of all my posts in this thread.

[comrade]

Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

I think one of Tom's best games came against Brisbane last year. The one where he broke a bone in his foot.

Great call.

He hurt himself early but kept Brown in check. It's just his luck that what could have been a 'break out' game, turned into another 'break down' game.

Good thread, BTW. Some differing points of view, but well reasoned nonetheless.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Apologies for getting it wrong - 5 goals is 5 goals though right?

Not when 2 are Joe the Goose, 1 is relayed downfield and another is in junk time.

Barry Hall kicked 6 when Lake was just about BOG and we won by 10 goals.

[Missing Dog]

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Everything you said is fair enough...except this. He is never, ever criticised by supporters. I guess that is the basis of all my posts in this thread.

Erm that's not true. Read this thread and there's many more but probably not as many as Everitt.

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthread.php?t=5690&h.ighlight=tom+williams

[Bulldog4life]

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Everything you said is fair enough...except this. He is never, ever criticised by supporters. I guess that is the basis of all my posts in this thread.

That is a wide sweeping statement. I think you'd agree that you could have worded that better to prove your point.

[mjp]

Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

Not when 2 are Joe the Goose, 1 is relayed downfield and another is in junk time.

Barry Hall kicked 6 when Lake was just about BOG and we won by 10 goals.

Fair enough Jim. When you name me the last time a Bulldogs tall forward accidentally kicked 5 I will with you all the way. 5 goals don't just happen...The kid played OK that day, but it was 2 long years ago, as has been noted Hawthorn only had 35 inside 50's (so midfield pressure was extreme) and his opponent still - cut it however you like - kicked 5 goals.

[mjp]

Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

That is a wide sweeping statement. I think you'd agree that you could have worded that better to prove your point.

It was intentionally wide and sweeping...I am not trying to prove a point, merely state a belief that Williams receives a free ride in contrast to Everitt who has by most reasonable measures delivered more yet is continually put down and criticised.

[mjp]

Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

Erm that's not true. Read this thread and there's many more but probably not as many as Everitt.

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthr...t=tom+williams

Excellent. I have read it...full of 'We expect to muches' and "I'm positive" and "he gives our backline structure...' - basically more people sticking up for him than being critical...

To be truthful, that's a good thing. Go and start the same thread about Everitt or Eagleton for example - or Gia for that matter - and see what happens.

[comrade]

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To be truthful, that's a good thing. Go and start the same thread about Everitt or Eagleton for example - or Gia for that matter - and see what happens.

Do we really want to get Mantis wound up?

[mighty_west]

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It was intentionally wide and sweeping...I am not trying to prove a point, merely state a belief that Williams receives a free ride in contrast to Everitt who has by most reasonable measures delivered more yet is continually put down and criticised.

I agree that both Williams & Everitt cop their fair share of flack, sometimes these players are harshly judged more so on where they are selected in the draft, and i believe that is wrong, once players get drafted, they are all on an equal ground.

In regards to Williams, it is his reading the play & being out beaten by an opponent, with Everitt it is in regards to his lack of intensity, they both cop it.

I hate when supporters continally bag or put down our own players, whether that be Williams or Everitt or Eagleton, when i was writng my post, it wasn't a contest between who cops more of a bad wrap, i was only talking about Williams, and from where i sit at games and what i have read on here at times & the likes of BF, he certaintly cops his fair share.

[mjp]

Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

i was only talking about Williams, and from where i sit at games and what i have read on here at times & the likes of BF, he certaintly cops his fair share.

Fair enough. I don't visit the other site but don't feel he is criticised on this site at all...certainly any negative comment about him (like my one on this thread) is jumped on by other posters defending him...contrast when Eagleton is criticised it is met with a cacophony of support!

I didn't quote it, but high draft picks should be judged more harshly...isn't that the nature of being a highly sought after recruit?

[GVGjr]

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I probably agree that Everitt cops a few more whacks than Williams however, that's the price you pay for whetting the appetite of so many supporters in your first season.
Everitt cops his whacks because he's seen as someone not reaching his potential and Williams one who can't stay fit and because he was always drafted as a project player.

The thing is that Williams is regarded as being in a our best starting 18 and Everitt is seen more as a back-up and that's the main reason why he cops it a bit more.

[The Coon Dog]

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, that's the price you pay for whetting the appetite of so many supporters in your first season.

Including the board who were seduced enough to award him the coveted #3 jumper.

[chef]

Re: Can Everitt play as a tall forward?

Including the board who were seduced enough to award him the coveted #3 jumper.

Wasn't he Grants choice.

[mighty_west]

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I didn't quote it, but high draft picks should be judged more harshly...isn't that the nature of being a highly sought after recruit?

In that case, shouldn't the recruiters cop more criticism than the players being selected?

A player like Williams, was he drafted on junior talent alone and being seen to become a better player overall than players selected later on in the draft? He was clearly a project player, he didn't select himself, he just put himself out there like all other recruits.

Sometimes with selections, players can be taken well ahead of what others think they are worth due to thinking other teams might nab them before our next selection, so if that player doesn't quite come on as much as a player taken in the area of the draft is expected to do so, is that also his fault, should he be judges on whether he was selected or where he perhaps was forecast to be selected?

Obviously there are all types of strategies on selecting players, best available vs needs, should that also be a factor to how to judge the individual players?

I am just of the opinion that one these kids step in, it basically starts from there, and where they are selected is really irrelevant at the end of the day [pardon the pun].