Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

[1eyedog]

Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

Some posters here make comments like "Bit harsh to drop him" or "it might dent his confidence if we drop him". What sort of statements are these? Seriously! Professional footballers are professional footballers, it's what they do full-time, If you are dropped too bad, go back to the Seagulls and work harder, be determined to get back. Denting players confidence by dropping them back to the magoos stinks of a weak mentality if you ask me. These professionals on top dollar should be going back to the magoos and working their butts off to get back. On the contrary they should be stoked (like Grant) that they got a run. We want and need mentally strong players. That said I am hesitant to make too many large scale changes i.e bring in 3 or 4 young blokes at once. It worked for the Pies last year but I'm not sure.

IN: Williams, Callan if fit
OUT: Hahn (needs confidence), Addison (a liability atm).

Skipper in for Minson if that goes pear-shaped for us.

Where is Welsh at? I still have faith in our mids but we need a player to provide aerial contests in the F50.

[Ozza]

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Out: Eagleton, Hahn & Addison.

In: Williams (if fit); Callan; O'Keefe

Also am not against giving Skipper a chance. I honestly don't think he can play - but you have to reward his efforts in the 2's - and we really fell down up forward - maybe give him a crack at full forward.

I thought Everitt had a good game - really contested well and was one of the few who used it ok.

Just a question - where does everyone see Cross at the moment. For someone who won a B&F last year - I think he is really down. I know we all love crossy and his efforts. But we really need more out of him. His decision making has been dreadful, and he seems to be playing without confidence. has been far from our worst - but long term - it will be interesting to see where you fit all of Cross, Boyd & Picken (who has been great) in the side.

[LostDoggy]

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I agree...

Our midfield isn't at its best.

Cooney playing at 50% Griffin 70% Crossy 70% Boydy is prob the only one lately that is playing at his best..

This is a major problem to why we're losing

[Ozza]

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A mate works for St.Kilda and the two things he said to me of interest last night (based on the saints de-brief) was:

-Their plan was to play Goddard high and get him the football and the dogs didn't work anywhere near hard enough at stopping him from getting a free reign.
- They thought Cooney got a hold of Jones as the game wore on and they thought Cooney will dominate with a week or two worth of fitness back.

[comrade]

Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

A mate works for St.Kilda and the two things he said to me of interest last night (based on the saints de-brief) was:

-Their plan was to play Goddard high and get him the football and the dogs didn't work anywhere near hard enough at stopping him from getting a free reign.
- They thought Cooney got a hold of Jones as the game wore on and they thought Cooney will dominate with a week or two worth of fitness back.

That bit of play where he outmuscled Jones, bounced off the contest and scooted away for the inside 50 was vintage Cooney - hopefully we see more of it very very soon.

[Mantis]

Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

In: Williams, Callan, Grant, Stack
Out: Giansiracusa, Addison, Hahn, Eagleton

B: Callan, Everitt, Morris
HB: Hargrave, Williams, Stack
C: Hill, Boyd, Gilbee
HF: Akermanis, Murphy, Higgins
F: Johnson, Lake, Harbrow
R: Hudson, Griffen, Cooney

Int: Picken, Cross, Grant, Minson

* Resisted the tempatation to bring in Ward or Reid who are probably most deserving, but don't really offer clean skills or run & carry which is lacking.

* Stack is a bit from left field, but he can run, he will take the game on which might create something.... Sure he will make mistakes, but it's not like we aren't already doing that.

* Lake has to play forward. We need a tall down there who has some athleticism. Once he kicks one he will kick a few more.

* We need to go through Grant. Give the kid some early touches and he will gain some confidence.

* Skipper can replace Will if he is cited by the MRP.

[bulldogtragic]

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In: Williams, Callan, Grant, Stack
Out: Giansiracusa, Addison, Hahn, Eagleton

B: Callan, Everitt, Morris
HB: Hargrave, Williams, Stack
C: Hill, Boyd, Gilbee
HF: Akermanis, Murphy, Higgins
F: Johnson, Lake, Harbrow
R: Hudson, Griffen, Cooney

Int: Picken, Cross, Grant, Minson

* Resisted the tempatation to bring in Ward or Reid who are probably most deserving, but don't really offer clean skills or run & carry which is lacking.

* Stack is a bit from left field, but he can run, he will take the game on which might create something.... Sure he will make mistakes, but it's not like we aren't already doing that.

* Lake has to play forward. We need a tall down there who has some athleticism. Once he kicks one he will kick a few more.

* We need to go through Grant. Give the kid some early touches and he will gain some confidence.

* Skipper can replace Will if he is cited by the MRP.

I would almost agree with that Mantis.

Particularl your reasoning with Stack, Grant and Lake. Differetnstyle, exciting prospects.

[azabob]

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In: Williams, Callan, Grant, Stack
Out: Giansiracusa, Addison, Hahn, Eagleton

B: Callan, Everitt, Morris
HB: Hargrave, Williams, Stack
C: Hill, Boyd, Gilbee
HF: Akermanis, Murphy, Higgins
F: Johnson, Lake, Harbrow
R: Hudson, Griffen, Cooney

Int: Picken, Cross, Grant, Minson

* Resisted the tempatation to bring in Ward or Reid who are probably most deserving, but don't really offer clean skills or run & carry which is lacking.

* Stack is a bit from left field, but he can run, he will take the game on which might create something.... Sure he will make mistakes, but it's not like we aren't already doing that.

* Lake has to play forward. We need a tall down there who has some athleticism. Once he kicks one he will kick a few more.

* We need to go through Grant. Give the kid some early touches and he will gain some confidence.

* Skipper can replace Will if he is cited by the MRP.

Don't mind the above changes except I'd bring in O'Keefe and not Stack. I love your positional moves. Lake to FF, Harbrow to FP. I however would put Gilbee to the HBF or even the BP. Back to basics for Gilbee. Higgins to the wing, Grant to the HFF.
I get the feeling though there wont be too many changes, if any again this week.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

Nice to see players thrown up to come in and out of the side..

But its more of a wishlist..

When was the last time we dropped Eagleton & Giansiracusa on form? As much as we all want it, it doesn't happen. And the time has come, we need to shakeup the side and make more than 1 simple change.

[Ozza]

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He's not going great - but I think we are a better side with Gia in the team. I think Gia will turn it around pretty quickly - he has always been consistent in the past which earns him more credits than Eagle or Hahn.

Everitt did well enough down back - that he may be able to hold down a tall again this week - so I like the suggestion of Lake going forward - especially against the Crows who will have numbers back - Lake may be able to mark some contested footy.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

I agree...

Our midfield isn't at its best.

Cooney playing at 50% Griffin 70% Crossy 70% Boydy is prob the only one lately that is playing at his best..

This is a major problem to why we're losing

What is wrong with Crossy and Griffen? are they injuried?

I have heard, that they have been overtraining - so much so that Crossy has approached Eade about this... has anyone else heard this?

I don't really know if this is the case - but it does explain a hell of a lot IMO almost all the players look really flat to me no hard running and it has been the same for 3 weeks.

[Mofra]

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I want to know more about the convo you had on the weekend about Stack being a little like Hill (i Guess) in that they underperform at VFL but can do magical things when raised to the next level. I have thought it about him but no more than a thought. It worked is Josh's case?

Josh was woeful in his first game. It took a pre-season, good form at Willy and a complete attitude adjustment to get him in our best 22.

[Mofra]

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Shouldn't that be re-named 'Farren Ray' territory?

Dare I say it...

[Rocket Science]

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There's a certain satisfaction derived from swinging the axe, but we're suffering in large part because many of our best players, those who carry significant responsibilty such as Gia, are down on form.

We simply need them to be better, and they're not of much earthly use to us if they're doing it for Williamstown. If we demote anyone in that category, we all know, player included, it's a temporary measure. I'm not sure I see the value in it.

[Mofra]

Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

Out: DFA (unfortunately), Hahn
In: Ward / Reid, Skipper

Hard at it type DFA out for similar type, Reid would offer something similar, Ward played well and maybe we need to reward his play.

Skipper would provide what Hahn does at the moment, would demand a tall, and give us the luxury of having a tall in our forwardline the whole game.

I have deliberately left Williams out, obviosuly someone would make way for him if he is fit.