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  • Mantis
    Hall of Fame
    • Apr 2007
    • 15335

    #31
    Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

    Originally posted by Scorlibo
    Firstly, this is more a continuing trend that I am noticing with him, last year he was great with his precision long accurate passing from the defensive fifty, but the zone just changes everything up and he hasn't adjusted.

    Mantis, I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure that a long kick is adjudged to be effective as long as it isn't a direct turnover, so that would explain his efficiency.

    Obviously when I say "every time" I don't mean it in a literal sense just like all others who use such phrases. What I'm trying to get across is that he regularly makes promising rebound attacks ordinary by kicking long to the zone - and he's been doing it for most matches.
    If we had a forwardline or midfield that actually worked to create an option it might make Hargrave's job of disposing the ball more effectively a little easier.

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    • Happy Days
      Hall of Fame
      • May 2008
      • 10100

      #32
      Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

      Sharpen up your axes...

      I don't think theres much merit in dropping a whole slew of "big names", one will suffice, and that one should be Gia; he's been a passenger for several weeks now. As for the others suggested:

      - Gilbee's being tagged every week, and still playing okay.
      - Hargrave...just no.

      Callan Ward dominated yesterday. Bring him straight back in, with Reid not far behind.

      Everitt out, did nothing today, and still looks short on confidence and a bit of dash from his first season. If Tommy doesn't get up, bring in Stevie T.

      Hahn's surely out of credits by now. With Big Will to surely get weeks for the elbow on Goddard, bring in Skip and Grant to give our forward-line some structure. Seeing as we're bombing it inside 50 like we have a tall target, we might as well play one or two.

      Just on Grant, if he is included, then KICK THE BLOODY THING TO HIM.

      DFA to go too, simply because Callan is the better option.

      In: Grant, Callan, Skipper, Williams, Ward
      Out: Minson (susp), Addison, Everitt, Giansiricusa, Hahn (omit.)
      - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        #33
        Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

        Originally posted by Happy Days
        Sharpen up your axes...

        I don't think theres much merit in dropping a whole slew of "big names", one will suffice, and that one should be Gia; he's been a passenger for several weeks now. As for the others suggested:

        - Gilbee's being tagged every week, and still playing okay.
        - Hargrave...just no.

        Callan Ward dominated yesterday. Bring him straight back in, with Reid not far behind.

        Everitt out, did nothing today, and still looks short on confidence and a bit of dash from his first season. If Tommy doesn't get up, bring in Stevie T.

        Hahn's surely out of credits by now. With Big Will to surely get weeks for the elbow on Goddard, bring in Skip and Grant to give our forward-line some structure. Seeing as we're bombing it inside 50 like we have a tall target, we might as well play one or two.

        Just on Grant, if he is included, then KICK THE BLOODY THING TO HIM.

        DFA to go too, simply because Callan is the better option.

        In: Grant, Callan, Skipper, Williams, Ward
        Out: Minson (susp), Addison, Skipper, Giansiricusa, Hahn (omit.)
        Bit Harsh on Skipper. Bring him in to drop him out
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • Missing Dog
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8501

          #34
          Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

          Originally posted by Rance Fan
          Out
          Hahn, Gia, Gilbee

          In
          Skipper, Reid, OKeefe


          Hope they leave Skipper up forward so he can create a marking contest when we kick a rainmaker towards the goals

          kicking the rainmaker is the problem.
          Watching Reiwoldt and Kozzie lead and receive well delivered pass out in front or on their chest convinced me that having the tall foward that can take a mark in a pack is not vital. we need to seriously look at the players delivering the ball, and that means the midfielders, once our strength, now non-existent.

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          • Sedat
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2007
            • 11155

            #35
            Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

            Out: one-paced plodders
            In: leg speed (if we have any to bring in)

            Hahn has had no impact for all but half a game so far this season. Gia was terrific in game 1 but has been quite poor since. Both surely will come into calculations for demotion. problem is that we do not have any leg speed to bring into the team.
            "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #36
              Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

              Originally posted by Happy Days
              Just on Grant, if he is included, then KICK THE BLOODY THING TO HIM.
              Exactly right.

              Players and coaching staff, need to treat him a little better.

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              • Happy Days
                Hall of Fame
                • May 2008
                • 10100

                #37
                Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                Originally posted by 42-C-3
                Bit Harsh on Skipper. Bring him in to drop him out
                Trying to bring a new ruthless culture to the club.
                - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34316

                  #38
                  Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                  Originally posted by Happy Days
                  Trying to bring a new ruthless culture to the club.
                  I like it. It has so many humourous applications.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15335

                    #39
                    Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                    Originally posted by Sedat
                    Out: one-paced plodders
                    In: leg speed (if we have any to bring in)
                    Mid-field type (running) players who represented the Williamstown seniors yesterday who are on the Bulldogs list:

                    Reid, Ward, O'Keefe, Wood, Stack, Callan.

                    From these I would say just Stack & Wood had any real pace and these are the 2 less likely to be promoted from this list.

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34316

                      #40
                      Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      Mid-field type (running) players who represented the Williamstown seniors yesterday who are on the Bulldogs list:

                      Reid, Ward, O'Keefe, Wood, Stack, Callan.

                      From these I would say just Stack & Wood had any real pace and these are the 2 less likely to be promoted from this list.
                      I want to know more about the convo you had on the weekend about Stack being a little like Hill (i Guess) in that they underperform at VFL but can do magical things when raised to the next level. I have thought it about him but no more than a thought. It worked is Josh's case?
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • Sedat
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 11155

                        #41
                        Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                        Originally posted by Mantis
                        Mid-field type (running) players who represented the Williamstown seniors yesterday who are on the Bulldogs list:

                        Reid, Ward, O'Keefe, Wood, Stack, Callan.

                        From these I would say just Stack & Wood had any real pace and these are the 2 less likely to be promoted from this list.
                        Therein lies the conundrum - the best performed players form Willy are one-paced mid sized players. That's the main reason I was disappointed with the decision to drop Grant last week as he has an abundance of that precious commodity, leg speed, that we currently lack in spades.

                        The reality is that Mal Lynch and Jamason Daniels are the only genuine speedsters coming through, but both are miles down the pecking order at present.
                        "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                        • Rocket Science
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 4850

                          #42
                          Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                          I understand the foot-speed issue, which is clearly compounded when Cooney and Griffen aren't at the peak of their powers, but lack of pace wasn't what undid us today.

                          We're faultering in almost all areas (primarily midfield and up forward) so I'd be quite content promoting anyone who warrants it, regardless of their perceived pace.
                          BORDERLINE FLYING

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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #43
                            Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                            Originally posted by aker39
                            Then you can add Gilbee to the list.
                            I hope Eade doesn't pay heed to such foolishness. You don't drop a player of his quality on a few bad games. He'll turn the corner. He wasn't the worst one out there tonight.

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                            • The Underdog
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 6816

                              #44
                              Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                              Originally posted by 42-C-3
                              Minson possibly suspended, looking for goals.

                              Where are all you Peter Street hating bloggers now????

                              Just like when the club pushed out Trent Bartlett and sought goals.

                              Funnily enough, both The Tall One and The Ugg could have got a call up this week on current teams form....
                              Peter Street wouldn't get a game in my lounge room. Daniel Bandy was a champ comparatively. You've got Bartlett's nickname right just the spelling wrong, it was "The Ugh"

                              In: Skipper, Reid or Williams (if fit)
                              Out: Hahn, Eagleton
                              Park that car
                              Drop that phone
                              Sleep on the floor
                              Dream about me

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                              • AndrewP6
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 8142

                                #45
                                Re: Ins and Outs Versus Adelaide at AAMI

                                For mine...

                                OUT - Addison (like the bloke, but almost non-existent), Hahn (to put a rocket up him, and vicariously, others!)
                                IN - Ward, Callan.

                                If Minno goes for the elbow, maybe Skipper has a chance to win me over. I thought Everitt wasn't too bad. Could stay if Tommy doesn't come back in. Not even gonna try to pump for Welsh...might go visit him in hospital...

                                Anyone else see a real problem with people observing our lack of speed, and we have largely the same group as a couple of years ago...with the exception of Ray and McMahon, two quick blokes...
                                [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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