Schadenfreude anyone?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Schadenfreude anyone?

I still don't get the constant bagging of Rawlings, for one, we screwed him over, he wanted to goto North, REALLY wanted to go there, and Rhode tried to make him into this big power forward he never was, he was a good second or 3rd string defender with bung knees by the time he landed at Whitten oval, after OUR CLUB #$#@ed up with the correct medical assesments.

But i suppose we needed a scape goat....right?

Not sure how we screwed him over anymore than a recruit that barracks for a different club than us or a young interstater that would like to stay at home.
We paid him and paid him well. He screwed us more than we did him cos he gave us bugger all.

As for being a mercenary and ego driven thats more to do with Hawthorn than anyone.

[Twodogs]

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I still don't get the constant bagging of Rawlings, for one, we screwed him over, he wanted to goto North, REALLY wanted to go there, and Rhode tried to make him into this big power forward he never was, he was a good second or 3rd string defender with bung knees by the time he landed at Whitten oval, after OUR CLUB #$#@ed up with the correct medical assesments.

But i suppose we needed a scape goat....right?

He signed a contract and then did SFA except sit back with his hand out. Spent two years(of a three year deal) bitching and moaning about how unfair it was that he ended up with us-if he didnt want to come to us then maybe he shouldnt have signed the contract with us well before draft day.

He had options he could have explored, but apparantly even though our money was the same colour as anyone else's, he didnt have to make the same effort to earn it.

Yep maybe we didnt do everything to the 100% spirit of the law but we werent the bad guys we have been made out to be and Jayde certainly isnt the rosy smelling hard done by type he's making out to be.

[mighty_west]

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Not sure how we screwed him over anymore than a recruit that barracks for a different club than us or a young interstater that would like to stay at home.
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We screwed ourselves over by paying him the big bickies in the first place, with all what i wrote in my original post, bung knees, not a forwards a-hole etc etc, he didn't deliver because he was NEVER what WE paid for.

We paid top dollar for a house in in the worst suburb that was run down, infested in white ants etc etc and tried to make it a tooraK mansion..

[The Coon Dog]

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I think he's a spud.

How?

You're being as clear as mud!

[mighty_west]

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He signed a contract and then did SFA except sit back with his hand out. Spent two years(of a three year deal) bitching and moaning about how unfair it was that he ended up with us-if he didnt want to come to us then maybe he shouldnt have signed the contract with us well before draft day.

He had options he could have explored, but apparantly even though our money was the same colour as anyone else's, he didnt have to make the same effort to earn it.

Yep maybe we didnt do everything to the 100% spirit of the law but we werent the bad guys we have been made out to be and Jayde certainly isnt the rosy smelling hard done by type he's making out to be.

I guess when a player is out of a club and in the wilderness after not being part of a trade, he can start feeling as though he should just go for the best he can get, add that to us being all over him, wanting him so much, offering all this money, being brought over as our saviour key forward etc etc, who can blame him?

BUT, he was never that, and along with the bung knees. he would have been crazy to refuse, after Carlton stating that they wanted Stevens, the next team in line was Melbourne who selected Reid from West Coast, so really there were only 2 higher profiled players in the trade period, who would you prefer, Bulldogs [who are deseperate for a key forward] or Melbourne?.

Perhaps it was the club that put blief into thinking he was this big power forward that was going to save the club etc etc, which he never was.

Sure, there has to be some blame put on the player himself, but knowing his knees were basically shot along with never being the player we wanted him to be, it was always detined to fail and bite us on the ass.

[LostDoggy]

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We screwed ourselves over by paying him the big bickies in the first place, with all what i wrote in my original post, bung knees, not a forwards a-hole etc etc, he didn't deliver because he was MEVER what WE paid for.

We paid top dollar for a house in in the worst suburb that was run down, infested in white ants etc etc and tried to make it a tooraK mansion..

He didn't deliver anything so if we had of paid him what he was worth and not the exaggerated fee, then he was still overpriced.

Again we never screwed Rawlings at all. He got a 3 years contract from us when he should have retired.

Read Twodog's summary as well.

[LostDoggy]

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Please clarify how we(the Western Bulldogs) screwed Rawlings.

[LostDoggy]

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Ernie, he was screwed over by the Veale deal.

We manipulated the trade to get him to our club, a club he did not want to go to.

Not sure how that matters. It wasn't against the rules and players go to clubs against their wishes all the time through the draft.

[LostDoggy]

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Its more like Rawlings tried to screw the system and wasn't able to.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Schadenfreude anyone?

That's how

Where in the rules does it you aren't allowed to recruit a player that doesn't want to come your club? I understand trades are done with the players consent but he wasn't traded.

Was O'Keefe screwed by the Swans last trade period?

[mighty_west]

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He didn't deliver anything so if we had of paid him what he was worth and not the exaggerated fee, then he was still overpriced.

Again we never screwed Rawlings at all. He got a 3 years contract from us when he should have retired.

Read Twodog's summary as well.

Ernie, in all due respect, i have read every post in this thread including the one you mentioned, doesn't change my views, i use my own mind, i'm not a puppet and use other to make myself think i'm right, when i know i am!!!!

Eventually Rawlings and his management team got what they could, and why wouldn't they?

BUT, and even the AFL looked closely at the time into the deal which was made, even they smelt a rat at the time.

It's no secret that the deal was pretty much done between the Rawlings group & North Melbourne, then the Bulldogs & Hawthorn got in the way, and made that deal fall over just so the Bulldogs ended up with Rawlings & Hawthorn recieved our high draft pick, poor old Lachy Veal was the meat in the sandwhich.

THATS HOW HE WAS SCREWED OVER!!

We had to pay him a rediculous price otherwise we would have missed out on Rawlings, so we did, HIS KNEES WERE BUNG, he was never going to deliver!!!!!!!

[LostDoggy]

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This 'Manipulated the trade' is total BS.
Should we have done it Carlton style and cheat?

[mighty_west]

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This 'Manipulated the trade' is total BS.
Should we have done it Carlton style and cheat?

It was total BS, and we eventually lost out in the long run!

[LostDoggy]

Re: Schadenfreude anyone?

THATS HOW HE WAS SCREWED OVER!!

You said by us.
You still haven't explain how the WB screwed him over.
Again how different is it from recruiting in the draft?

If he had of gone to North, who would have screwed who? Given he was finished.
North dodged a bullet but we screwed him over.

[LostDoggy]

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That's the point Ernie. He wasn't traded because they couldn't get his consent.

So they decided to manipulate the trade, and get him through the back door.

Manipulate? No rule against it.
The point made was 'we' screwed him when its just BS.
Again he trying to go to the club of his choice and wasn't able to, bad luck it happens all the time.
I have no problem with the way the bulldogs got him to the club, in the rules and they did they what they thought was best for the club. I understand it was overpayed and finished so it was useless. But we the Western bulldogs never screwed Rawlings.