Schadenfreude anyone?

[hujsh]

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Yeah OK.

Will send him some flowers while I'm at it.

Poor Terry.

He's not asking for sympathy. We really do need to move on from Wallace.

[LostDoggy]

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His legacy lives on. I still pull out a crunch item once or twice a season at a game, when we are down. A crunch banana. A crunch yoghurt. Never a crunch Crunch, come to think of it.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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It seems a shame to me that a blokes numerous good deeds and years of service have been overshadowed by the way he left. I understand an initial anger or resentment, but seriously how many years has it been now?

Would things have changed if we did win a premiership under Wallace? Would we all still be sitting around bitching and hoping bad things happen to him?

The politics involved in football clubs runs deeper than even I care to imagine and at times coaches, players, boards, whoever make decisions that seem to baffle and offend but at the end of the day life goes on. I wonder if Eade fails to deliver a premiership will we go back and hold the handling of Scott West against him?

Terry Wallace is a bloke that lives and breathes football. He is passionate and he has given most of his life to the game. Good luck to the bloke I say.

[AndrewP6]

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It seems a shame to me that a blokes numerous good deeds and years of service have been overshadowed by the way he left. I understand an initial anger or resentment, but seriously how many years has it been now?

Terry Wallace is a bloke that lives and breathes football. He is passionate and he has given most of his life to the game. Good luck to the bloke I say.

The way he treated us in leaving showed the true character of the bloke.

He wasn't passionate about our club... just went for the $$$ - Rocket actually came to us when we were ordinary on and off the field, and was proactive in bringing about change.

Don't wish Wallace any harm, but would find it hard to write a character reference.

[The Adelaide Connection]

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The way he treated us in leaving showed the true character of the bloke.

He wasn't passionate about our club... just went for the $$$ - Rocket actually came to us when we were ordinary on and off the field, and was proactive in bringing about change.

Don't wish Wallace any harm, but would find it hard to write a character reference.

I know the history, but I contend that what he did at our club was not all bad. In fact, some of it was very good. When Wallace took over in 1996 we were ordinary on and off the field and we we finished 15th. The next year we finished third and we all know what happened. In 1998 we finished second on the ladder. The bloke was around our club for about 7 years and you have a seriously short term memory if you think in that time he showed no passion for our footy club.

I am not saying I would give the bloke a character reference either, but there is (whether we like it or not) a lot of politics involved in an AFL footy club. Should Sheedy never forgive Essendon? Should Scott West never forgive us? Or Doug Hawkins for that matter? Or countless other players and coaches at countless of other clubs? We are just bitter because he stuck the boot in before we could.

I was also repeating the point that we got pretty damn close to a premiership under him, on a number of occasions, I bet if we did get one attitudes would be very different.

[LostDoggy]

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I know the history, but I contend that what he did at our club was not all bad. In fact, some of it was very good. When Wallace took over in 1996 we were ordinary on and off the field and we we finished 15th. The next year we finished third and we all know what happened. In 1998 we finished second on the ladder. The bloke was around our club for about 7 years and you have a seriously short term memory if you think in that time he showed no passion for our footy club.

I am not saying I would give the bloke a character reference either, but there is (whether we like it or not) a lot of politics involved in an AFL footy club. Should Sheedy never forgive Essendon? Should Scott West never forgive us? Or Doug Hawkins for that matter? Or countless other players and coaches at countless of other clubs? We are just bitter because he stuck the boot in before we could.

I was also repeating the point that we got pretty damn close to a premiership under him, on a number of occasions, I bet if we did get one attitudes would be very different.

But it's not just the way he left.

It's how he has continued to be part of an ex-Dogs gang at Richmond (most who left under acrimonious circumstances) that has not been able to let go of angst towards the Dogs and has continually sought to undermine us at every opportunity -- be it on drafting day, trading day, etc etc. (search through the archives here on WOOF and you may find some stories from those close to Rocket), and it is Wallet that created the animosity from the Dogs with his continuous malicious attacks on the Dogs, first in the media during the Rhode years (claiming it was a weak list that he couldn't take any further -- the same tactic he's trying now at Richmond), and then from the coaches box pre-game and post-game into the Rocket years, when we were (initially) down in the dumps.

Don't let youself be another naive person he takes advantage of through his smooth tongue. He's certainly talked his way out of many things before, and has somehow created an aura of competence around what really is a pretty ordinary coaching record, apart from the first couple of years at the Dogs (where he reaped the benefits of a previous recruiting regime).

He's shown quite clearly that he has no list building ability whatsoever -- after 7 years at the Dogs he left us with the list in shambles and no balance at all, and he's done the same at Richmond after 5 years. And yet, people continue to think of him as a competent coach -- he really has pulled the wool over many eyes.

Don't be fooled: Wallet has only ever cared about one thing -- number one.

ps. I'll take the word of Chris Grant over Terry Wallace anyday, and Chris couldn't stand the bloke towards the end there. Speaks volumes.

[LostDoggy]

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All I can say is: Terry Wallace and Nathan Brown's continual shambolic misery at Richmond is proof positive that karma exists, and it bites. Hard.

Not one finals game. Not a single one. Not - one. And probably never another one in either of their careers. The delicious, delicious irony.

Eat. That. Good.

[AndrewP6]

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But it's not just the way he left.

It's how he has continued to be part of an ex-Dogs gang at Richmond (most who left under acrimonious circumstances) that has not been able to let go of angst towards the Dogs and has continually sought to undermine us at every opportunity -- be it on drafting day, trading day, etc etc. (search through the archives here on WOOF and you may find some stories from those close to Rocket), and it is Wallet that created the animosity from the Dogs with his continuous malicious attacks on the Dogs, first in the media during the Rhode years (claiming it was a weak list that he couldn't take any further -- the same tactic he's trying now at Richmond), and then from the coaches box pre-game and post-game into the Rocket years, when we were (initially) down in the dumps.

Don't let youself be another naive person he takes advantage of through his smooth tongue. He's certainly talked his way out of many things before, and has somehow created an aura of competence around what really is a pretty ordinary coaching record, apart from the first couple of years at the Dogs (where he reaped the benefits of a previous recruiting regime).

He's shown quite clearly that he has no list building ability whatsoever -- after 7 years at the Dogs he left us with the list in shambles and no balance at all, and he's done the same at Richmond after 5 years. And yet, people continue to think of him as a competent coach -- he really has pulled the wool over many eyes.

Don't be fooled: Wallet has only ever cared about one thing -- number one.

ps. I'll take the word of Chris Grant over Terry Wallace anyday, and Chris couldn't stand the bloke towards the end there. Speaks volumes.

YEAH, WHAT HE SAID

[Topdog]

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I can't believe people think we didn't screw over Rawlings and North to an extent. People then harped on about how players very rarely get traded to the club they want to go to. Good thing Brisbane and Adelaide don't feel the same way as some on here.

[LostDoggy]

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I can't believe people think we didn't screw over Rawlings and North to an extent. People then harped on about how players very rarely get traded to the club they want to go to. Good thing Brisbane and Adelaide don't feel the same way as some on here.

Not sure what you mean about Brisbane and Adelaide. Its fact that some players in trade period don't go to the clubs of their choice. A number stay where they are because they are in contract but if you are out of contract you are free game.

Make no bones about it we did North a favour, we got the player with an attitude problem, exaggerated salary and a bung knee not them and when he did go there we were still were paying for him.

As for us 'the bulldogs' screwing over Rawlings, its rubbish.

[The Coon Dog]

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As for us 'the bulldogs' screwing over Rawlings, its rubbish.

Of course we did!

We conspired with Hawthorn to force Jade Rawlings into the PSD where we had 1st pick.

Dress it up any way you like, it won't change the fact that we & Hawthorn screwed Jade Rawlings over to ensure he became a Bulldog.

[Sedat]

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Not sure what you mean about Brisbane and Adelaide. Its fact that some players in trade period don't go to the clubs of their choice. A number stay where they are because they are in contract but if you are out of contract you are free game.

Make not bones about it we did North a favour, we got the player with an attitude problem, exaggerated salary and a bung knee not them and when he did go there we were still were paying for him.

As for us 'the bulldogs' screwing over Rawlings, its rubbish.

I've got a couple of Carlton mates in the know, and they swear London to a brick that Ian Collins, who was then president of Carlton, was the mastermind behind the Veale Deal knowing that it would make Nick Stevens slip through to 2nd pick in the PSD for nothing. How he would have managed to get Essendon and Hawthorn complicit in the Veale Deal makes it sound implausible but stranger things have happened.

It's laughable to suggest that we were the sole party that screwed Rawlings over during trade week. What a trouper he and his manager (Liam Pickering) were, demanding the go-to franchise player salary but not taking the go-to franchise player responsibility, not to mention both of them constantly whinging and whining about the injustice of it all in the process rather than do the right thing by the club that was paying Jade's fat salary. And then we generously allowed him his wish a couple of years later to play with his brother at North by actually accepting a lop-sided trade that made us lose 3 places in the draft to get him off our books. Yeah what a bunch of arseholes we are

As for Teflon, very little needs to be added to Lantern's bang-on post. Let's just remember his constant (and largely unsuccessful) attempts to poach our top line players and coaching staff/recruiters from late 2004 to 2008. I hope he stays on at Richmond for a few weeks longer so that his humiliation can continue to be so publicly broadcast and his ordinary coaching record continues to head south (it's already worse than Frawley, Gieschen, Joyce, Wheeler, Daniher, Connolly, Ayres and numerous other less-credentialled past coaches). He's always been lightning quick to accept the bouquets from the football public when things went well - now it's his turn to stand there and take it without any lubricant.

[LostDoggy]

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Of course we did!

We conspired with Hawthorn to force Jade Rawlings into the PSD where we had 1st pick.

Dress it up any way you like, it won't change the fact that we & Hawthorn screwed Jade Rawlings over to ensure he became a Bulldog.

Thats were you are wrong, how is becoming a bulldog in a legal manner being screwed?
He didn't go to the North - big deal, happens all the time, if players went to their clubs of choice all the time then why have the draft. Free agency should be implemented 100%. Let the players screw the clubs not stop. Kill some the club and have only a few clubs win it every year.

If you call what the Bulldogs alone did to Rawlings as screwing him why not mention the Swans screwing O'Keefe, Port with Stevens, Brisbane with Buckley & Brennan, Essendon with Lovett and the numerous others. I bet Judd wasn't keenest leaving Victoria to WA but nobody says West Coast screwed him.

[The Coon Dog]

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Thats were you are wrong, how is becoming a bulldog in a legal manner being screwed?
He didn't go to the North - big deal, happens all the time, if players went to their clubs of choice all the time then why have the draft. Free agency should be implemented 100%. Let the players screw the clubs not stop and kill them.

If you call what the Bulldogs alone did to Rawlings as screwing him why not mention the Swans screwing O'Keefe, Port with Stevens, Brisbane with Buckley & Brennan and the numerous others. I bet Judd wasn't keenest leaving Victoria to the WA but nobody says West Coast screwed him.

Because they're not relevant to the Rawlings matter & it's just a red herring by you to throw them into the mix.

Yeah, he didn't get to go to North, but the Bulldogs giving Hawthorn pick 6 for Lachlan Veale on the understanding they didn't trade Rawlings to North forced him to the Bulldogs.

It was a deal that stank at the time & stinks now.

Now ES, I know you can be pig headed & I'm not going to get involved in a 'Drugs in Sport' type debate like you & westdog54 had . Westdog54 should have had more sense, he, like me, knows you & he should have known he was never going to win, no one ever does with you!

We'll agree to disagree & if you won't then I'll remove your name from my invite list!

[Sedat]

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It was a deal that stank at the time & stinks now.

TCD, in your opinion what stunk more, the actual Veale Deal itself, or the attitude of Rawlings and his management to his new employer after he willingly signed a handsome contract and became an official (and very well-rewarded) part of the club?