Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

That's a stupid thing to say, "put his development back a few years", one game isn't going to do anywhere near that damage, instead it's more likely to make Grant bring his work rate to the required level after getting a taste for the big time.

You doubters only have to look back to the game against Adelaide when Taylor Walker stepped up and kicked 4 goals - while looking lost for all other games this season. Improvement will come if we give him a chance and we all saw what a better side we were with Murph there as a lead-up target.

Taylor Walker kicked 60 goals for Norwood last year, he was ready to step up.

[Desipura]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

In: Higgins, Tiller & Ward
Out: Murphy (inj), Everitt (inj) & Addison (inj)

[Mantis]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

In: Higgins, Tiller & Ward
Out: Murphy (inj), Everitt (inj) & Addison (inj)

I didn't know those 2 were injured... What injuries do they have & has it been reported?

edit. Just saw article on Bulldogs website which contains the following:

"Robert [Murphy] is out and it looks as though Andrejs Everitt will miss with a foot problem, and Dylan Addison has a bit of a sore knee."

[Mofra]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

I'd like to see the number of players who had a poor first game but proved to be a great senior addition in their first/second season despite their apparent physical immaturuty. Look at Taylor Walker, Stephen Hill from this year.

Two players that were playing (and dominating) senior football last year vs someone who spent half the year out with OP, who is a small framed KPP to boot?

Grant is odds on to become a good player, but I I don't think we'll see it this year.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

In: Higgins, Tiller & Ward
Out: Murphy (inj), Everitt (inj) & Addison (inj)

I didn't know those 2 were injured... What injuries do they have & has it been reported?

edit. Just saw article on Bulldogs website which contains the following:

"Robert [Murphy] is out and it looks as though Andrejs Everitt will miss with a foot problem, and Dylan Addison has a bit of a sore knee."

Given that news, I'd say Desipura's selections look about right.

Tiller can add some flexibility down back, whilst Higgins and Ward can both play through the middle and up forward.

Wonder if Timmy Callan comes into the mix at all too?



Would love to see either one of Stack or O'Keefe get a game, but given the players who are in contention, they may have to wait a little while longer yet.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

Gia will not get dropped, he did some good things but then there were those 2 cute scrubbers that he kicked from only 20 metres out, hardly something a leader would do.
If it was wet weather footy, you might consider kicking it along the ground.
We need to tinker with our game plan. We are a fair way off Geelong and St Kilda, if you do not change the rest of the pack will overtake you. Our precise kicking cannot be sustained against the better teams.

You only just realized this?

Where were you in 2006?

[Scorlibo]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

Taylor Walker kicked 60 goals for Norwood last year, he was ready to step up.

And wasn't Grant a multiple goal-kicker in every game last year before he got the dreaded OP? He would have kicked more than 60 if he wasn't injured.

Two players that were playing (and dominating) senior football last year vs someone who spent half the year out with OP, who is a small framed KPP to boot?

Grant is odds on to become a good player, but I I don't think we'll see it this year.

Hill wasn't dominating senior footy, and I don't think you could call Walker's season dominant either.

Grant doesn't have to set the world on fire, just do his bit. I get worried because every decent KPF in the AFL at the moment made some kind of impact in the AFL in their first two seasons. It's all well and good for people to say, "he's developing, talls take time, he'll be a good player", and to some extent it's true, but it also fits into that mindset of mediocrity, "our premiership window will be soon, but not now".

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

Agree Tim Callan is a must.

O'keefe is knockng down the door, but i'm not sure Friday night against Geelong is the best time. Maybe it is, i dont know Rocket or the Kid.

Ward for a look in too.


It will be interesting to see if they bring in some more tall forward and stretch the backline?

Umm, bulldogtragic, is everyone having a lend of you? I can't see any probs with your post, or do I just have rose-coloured glasses???

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

It has been rectified and hope we can move past this.

Oops, I didn't read all the posts before I replied to your initial one Am I going have my wrists slapped too

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

I watched that game. Not a lot in the Mooney 'spoil' . Should be right to play

I think he has priors, so has taken the week off - good for us

[Mofra]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

Hill wasn't dominating senior footy, and I don't think you could call Walker's season dominant either.

Nope, he got a lucky promotion, got a taste, went back and had a cracker of a pre-season and then made progress. Comparing Hill to Grant, we're another year off for Grant to make and impact in that case.

Grant doesn't have to set the world on fire, just do his bit.

That's the problem, he can't even do his bit. In the third(?) quarter he handballed, and didn't even run past the ball carrier because he was stuffed. Any other player would be dragged for that and forced to spend an extended period on the pine. If Eagleton or Gia did it, half the board would want them delisted.

I get worried because every decent KPF in the AFL at the moment made some kind of impact in the AFL in their first two seasons. It's all well and good for people to say, "he's developing, talls take time, he'll be a good player", and to some extent it's true, but it also fits into that mindset of mediocrity, "our premiership window will be soon, but not now".

Plenty don't make an impact. Do you think Geelong will delist Lonergan or Hawkins if they can't cement a spot this year? Josh Kennedy looks like he will be a player but has struggled with injury. Lachie Hansen has had injury woes as well. Williams is only just establishing himself this year. Gumbleton will be given time at Essendon.
In any case, losing half a year it's virtually Grant's first year in development terms, and weight & fitness wise he looks like he's starting a fair way back on the field.

Peter Foster took years to cement a spot on the list, and he became the lynchpin of our defence at CHB. Some players just take time, and throwing them to the wolves when they are physically not ready, and other players are more deserving of a spot, doesn't help us IMO.

[BulldogBelle]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

Out
Murph (inj), Addison (inj), Everitt (inj)

In
Callan, Higgins, Shaggy (if fit) or Tiller (for Everitt only if Shaggy isnt 100%)

[LostDoggy]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

Peter Foster took years to cement a spot on the list, and he became the lynchpin of our defence at CHB. Some players just take time, and throwing them to the wolves when they are physically not ready, and other players are more deserving of a spot, doesn't help us IMO.

Us doggies supporters are an impatient lot - been a while since the dogs won a Premiership

[Scorlibo]

Re: Round 9 Ins and Outs Vs Geelong

Nope, he got a lucky promotion, got a taste, went back and had a cracker of a pre-season and then made progress. Comparing Hill to Grant, we're another year off for Grant to make and impact in that case.


That's the problem, he can't even do his bit. In the third(?) quarter he handballed, and didn't even run past the ball carrier because he was stuffed. Any other player would be dragged for that and forced to spend an extended period on the pine. If Eagleton or Gia did it, half the board would want them delisted.


Plenty don't make an impact. Do you think Geelong will delist Lonergan or Hawkins if they can't cement a spot this year? Josh Kennedy looks like he will be a player but has struggled with injury. Lachie Hansen has had injury woes as well. Williams is only just establishing himself this year. Gumbleton will be given time at Essendon.
In any case, losing half a year it's virtually Grant's first year in development terms, and weight & fitness wise he looks like he's starting a fair way back on the field.

Peter Foster took years to cement a spot on the list, and he became the lynchpin of our defence at CHB. Some players just take time, and throwing them to the wolves when they are physically not ready, and other players are more deserving of a spot, doesn't help us IMO.

We're not talking about the same Hill Mofra, I'm talking about Stephen Hill.

Lonergan I don't consider decent, Hawkins kicked a few bags early on in his career and Hansen has shown plenty.

Again judging many players on one game they were hacks, but many of those many players went on to play really good debut seasons.

[Mofra]

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We're not talking about the same Hill Mofra, I'm talking about Stephen Hill

My bad. He is a small (not KPP) who dominated at senior level prior to being drafted, which is more than a skinny KPP having a few good TAC Cup games then spending half a year playing so so at VFL level.

Lonergan I don't consider decent, Hawkins kicked a few bags early on in his career and Hansen has shown plenty.

Longergan is better than any KPP forward on our list at the moment.
Hawkins is inconsistent, but has a far better developed body than Grant.
Hansen showed glimpses, but again 3+ years in the system until (injuries aside) he's cemented a spot in the Roos best 22.

Again judging many players on one game they were hacks, but many of those many players went on to play really good debut seasons.

Many do - but most of them are midfielders, and even then they generally have fairly well developed bodies and fitness bases, of which Grant appears to have neither (yet)