Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

[wb_age]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Fact 1.
We won by plenty

Fact 2.
Stack was on debut (20 game rule applies)


They are the only things I can think of that has caused such a sugar-coating of Stack's performance.


Stack was dreadful! That was one of the worst debuts of all time - on a par with Mitch Hahn, Patrick Wiggins and Nick Bruton.

He fumbled everything in sight, managed to stuff up a soda of a goal by trying to kick it out of mid air (instead of putting his head over it I might add) and the only time he was near a tackle he gave up a soft free. Of his 2 kicks 1 missed the target by 30 metres!

He also had 4 clangers to go with his 8 touches.

Time for Brennan to go back to Willi and get a few decent games under his belt and win his spot back on merit.

As far as "he's one of those players that will rise to the higher standard" bullshit, it's never happened. Ever.


Can we have some perspective here?

When we win everyone are superstars; when we lose everyone's a dud.

First post in this thread that I completely agree with, however you couldn't question the kids endeavor.

[Mofra]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Stack was dreadful! That was one of the worst debuts of all time - on a par with Mitch Hahn, Patrick Wiggins and Nick Bruton.

He fumbled everything in sight, managed to stuff up a soda of a goal by trying to kick it out of mid air (instead of putting his head over it I might add) and the only time he was near a tackle he gave up a soft free. Of his 2 kicks 1 missed the target by 30 metres!

I admire your honesty - Stack wasn't very good last week at Willy, so I must say I was surprised to see his debut. Good luck to him, hopefully the 1 game debut rule (Hill, Reid, Grant & now Stack) is part of Rocket's development plan for the young 'uns. Worked for Hill, Reid looks like he will kick on, Grant's obviously a super-skilled work in progress.
Stack should now work out how to increase his intensity at Willy.

Going by the reports from the Willi watchers his form has quietened off a little. I suspect he'll get a run at some stage, but with the team playing well the last few weeks, and our strength of similar players, he has probably not got a run where perhaps at a lesser club he may have.

Given Stack debuted, I'm not sure Willy form is the only consideration. I could think of 5 guys who would have been ahead of Stack on merit, even taking into account he didn't play 2 weeks ago.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

He fumbled, missed a sitter, generally struggled to get a touch, but to me he just looks like he has the potential to play at the top level AND he really has a crack. I think Rocket has given him a taste of it and that it will help his development alot.

He definitely has the physique / speed to excel at the top level, so lets hope we see him back in the team sooner rather than later, as I doubt that he will still be in the team next week!

[dog town]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Fact 1.
We won by plenty

Fact 2.
Stack was on debut (20 game rule applies)


They are the only things I can think of that has caused such a sugar-coating of Stack's performance.


Stack was dreadful! That was one of the worst debuts of all time - on a par with Mitch Hahn, Patrick Wiggins and Nick Bruton.

He fumbled everything in sight, managed to stuff up a soda of a goal by trying to kick it out of mid air (instead of putting his head over it I might add) and the only time he was near a tackle he gave up a soft free. Of his 2 kicks 1 missed the target by 30 metres!

He also had 4 clangers to go with his 8 touches.

Time for Brennan to go back to Willi and get a few decent games under his belt and win his spot back on merit.

As far as "he's one of those players that will rise to the higher standard" bullshit, it's never happened. Ever.


Can we have some perspective here?

When we win everyone are superstars; when we lose everyone's a dud.

Nick Bruton's debut was in another hemisphere to that ame.

The fact of the matter is that Stack hadn't really deserved his game. This alone means he is unlikely to hold his spot next week with some big names to come back. I am also opposed to the idea that a player will rise to the standard he is playing in.

Dont mind players trying to kick a goal off the ground but I think he just chose the wrong option on this occasion. The goal square is the only place you should be kicking the ball off the ground but on this occasion all his momentum was going the wrong way. I wouldn't hang him on that though as Hill, Johnson and Guido have all been guilty of this.

[Bornadog]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Nick Bruton's debut was in another hemisphere to that ame.

The fact of the matter is that Stack hadn't really deserved his game. This alone means he is unlikely to hold his spot next week with some big names to come back. I am also opposed to the idea that a player will rise to the standard he is playing in.

Dont mind players trying to kick a goal off the ground but I think he just chose the wrong option on this occasion. The goal square is the only place you should be kicking the ball off the ground but on this occasion all his momentum was going the wrong way. I wouldn't hang him on that though as Hill, Johnson and Guido have all been guilty of this.

Many people probably the thought the same thing about Hill when he debuted for the one game in 2007 against West Coast. I think, the coaches can see something in him and last night was a learning experience for Stack.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Fact 1.

Stack was dreadful! That was one of the worst debuts of all time - on a par with Mitch Hahn, Patrick Wiggins and Nick Bruton.

Can't agree with this SS. I don't think its a fair reflection of Stacks debut. There are not many Georgiadis like debuts nowadays.

It seems that you are particularly frustrated with our supporters negativity when we are not winning, but I dont think its fair to tie Stacks debut game to our rose coloured glasses.

Plenty of room for improvement for Stack but plenty to like about his athleticism, ability to get himself in good position, get his hands on the ball and his tackling etc

The teams performance is always going to effect how a 1st gamers game is assesssed

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Stack's nerves got in the way of his skills but his second and third efforts showed his worth.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Can't agree with this SS. I don't think its a fair reflection of Stacks debut. There are not many Georgiadis like debuts nowadays.

It seems that you are particularly frustrated with our supporters negativity when we are not winning, but I dont think its fair to tie Stacks debut game to our rose coloured glasses.

8 very soft touches, 4 clangers, a dozen fumbles and messed up a goal (that had been served up to him on a platter) that could very easily be construed as 'not putting ones head over the ball' (could you just imagine if Eagle or Gia did it? This place would have gone into meltdown).

Don't get me wrong, like every Bulldogs player I hope he does well and I'm glad to see him get a go, but realistically he's miles away from being able to cut it at AFL level. This isn't surprising, he hasn't really cut them up in the VFL level, but now he knows what is required it's up to him to go back to Willi and get better.

Plenty of room for improvement for Stack but plenty to like about his athleticism, ability to get himself in good position, get his hands on the ball and his tackling etc

Athleticism? He looks like Tarzan, so what? Cam Wight is as athletic as it gets.
Get into good position? Hardly. Did manage to get the ball handed to him occasionally. Didn't see him present to the ball carrier once. Didn't see him run off his opponent to create, didn't see him give his other defenders a cop out. What time were you impressed with his 'good position'?
Tackling? The only tackle he laid he gave away a soft free.

The teams performance is always going to effect how a 1st gamers game is assesssed

Why? I wasn't talking about the team, I was talking about Stack. An arguement could be made that if he couldn't get a touch when things were easy, how on earth will he get near it when it gets tough?

I'm not writing him off, I made the comment that Mitch Hahn had just about the worst debut you could ever imagine; let's just call a spade a spade - he was terrible.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

8 very soft touches, 4 clangers, a dozen fumbles and messed up a goal (that had been served up to him on a platter) that could very easily be construed as 'not putting ones head over the ball' (could you just imagine if Eagle or Gia did it? This place would have gone into meltdown).

Don't get me wrong, like every Bulldogs player I hope he does well and I'm glad to see him get a go, but realistically he's miles away from being able to cut it at AFL level. This isn't surprising, he hasn't really cut them up in the VFL level, but now he knows what is required it's up to him to go back to Willi and get better.



Athleticism? He looks like Tarzan, so what? Cam Wight is as athletic as it gets.
Get into good position? Hardly. Did manage to get the ball handed to him occasionally. Didn't see him present to the ball carrier once. Didn't see him run off his opponent to create, didn't see him give his other defenders a cop out. What time were you impressed with his 'good position'?
Tackling? The only tackle he laid he gave away a soft free.




Why? I wasn't talking about the team, I was talking about Stack. An arguement could be made that if he couldn't get a touch when things were easy, how on earth will he get near it when it gets tough?

I'm not writing him off, I made the comment that Mitch Hahn had just about the worst debut you could ever imagine; let's just call a spade a spade - he was terrible.

I would have to agree, in all areas bar his size and strength he really looked out of his depth by a long way but I have to say Tiller did too. Like Grant, he should be heading back to Willy with a real appreciation of the next step. I think he sure has some upside and could be a player in the mold of Hahn. What he did well was some of the tough stuff and he sure looks to be a handy player for when we need to add some toughness to the side.

We need our best team possible for Darwin.

[Desipura]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Fact 1.
We won by plenty

Fact 2.
Stack was on debut (20 game rule applies)


They are the only things I can think of that has caused such a sugar-coating of Stack's performance.


Stack was dreadful! That was one of the worst debuts of all time - on a par with Mitch Hahn, Patrick Wiggins and Nick Bruton.

He fumbled everything in sight, managed to stuff up a soda of a goal by trying to kick it out of mid air (instead of putting his head over it I might add) and the only time he was near a tackle he gave up a soft free. Of his 2 kicks 1 missed the target by 30 metres!

He also had 4 clangers to go with his 8 touches.

Time for Brennan to go back to Willi and get a few decent games under his belt and win his spot back on merit.

As far as "he's one of those players that will rise to the higher standard" bullshit, it's never happened. Ever.


Can we have some perspective here?

When we win everyone are superstars; when we lose everyone's a dud.

Did he not back into a pack when a ball was kicked up high in the air only to see him come down with it? Im sure he clutched it and then there was a ball up. All his teammates went to him at the 3 qtr time siren to congratualte him for his courage. I think you are being unfair to a 1st gamer.

[Scraggers]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Sorry SS, I disagree ... I thought he did okay for his first game ... He showed courage and commitment. His third / fourth / fifth efforts are exactly what I want to see from a player making his debut.

[Topdog]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Skill wise it was an awful debut you are correct SS. However I loved his courage and determination. I'll watch the replay on Tuesday morning and see if that changes anything

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Didn't see him present to the ball carrier once.

In the first term he presented to the ball carrier very well. There were about 3 or 4 occasions when he was on, and either just fumbled or someone slipped infront and cut the pass off. I thought his leading to the ball carrier was pretty good - especially early.



Not saying he had a world beating debut, but I think you've been quite harsh on him SS.

[Mofra]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Many people probably the thought the same thing about Hill when he debuted for the one game in 2007 against West Coast.

That was a poor debut too, which is why he went back to the VFL for the rest of the year, albeit with a heightened sense of what is required to compete at the top level. He trained his arse off and reaped the rewards. Hopefully that's what happened with Stack.

I wonder how people would rate a Gia or Eagleton if they put in the same performance.

[Bornadog]

Re: Brennan Stack to Debut tonight

Debut....... Kicks..... Handballs

Picken..... 3..... 9

Grant..... 1..... 7

Stack..... 2..... 6