Josh Hill

[always right]

Re: Josh Hill

Bend below the knees Josh, please.

He'd need another knee on his shin.

[chef]

Re: Josh Hill

Is Josh contracted for next season?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Josh Hill

Is Josh contracted for next season?

I hope so, i think this guy has real upside. I would be disappointed if he left the club, he could be anything.

He is 3rd on our goal kicking list this season (around about there), and has only played half the year. A little tweaking to his game & he could be a force, i am willing to persist with him.

[Mofra]

Re: Josh Hill

A question on Hill next year - if Hooper becomes the small forward we hope and starts playing regular football, will this help or change Hill's game?

Hooper seems smart, quick and strong for his size, but gets by on football brain rather than X factor. Hill's forte is his marking ability rather than any crumbing aspect which we probably expected too much of this year. It will be interesting to see how we use Hill in 2011.

[stefoid]

Re: Josh Hill

With Hills marking, generally good disposal and theoretical endurance, he could be useful across half forward, whereas youd think Hooper would be marked for a pocket role?

[mighty_west]

Re: Josh Hill

I think Hill and Hooper are two completely different types of players, as already mentioned, Hill is more of a marking forward, i see Hooper being that small forward slash midfielder, which i believe is that perfect small forward option, rather than that stay at home can get stale and fall into bad habits type who tend to go missing in finals.

[Mofra]

Re: Josh Hill

With Hills marking, generally good disposal and theoretical endurance, he could be useful across half forward, whereas youd think Hooper would be marked for a pocket role?

Yep - Hooper has great acceleration (2.9sec for 20m) but not top lien pace, and finds space in the tiniest of openings. Hill's VO2 Max tests means he can be wasted in a pocket, and I think Hill's leap is more of a forte than his crumbing skills. He is one guy that really needs to play to his strengths and his leap is just that.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Josh Hill

Yep - Hooper has great acceleration (2.9sec for 20m) but not top lien pace, and finds space in the tiniest of openings. Hill's VO2 Max tests means he can be wasted in a pocket, and I think Hill's leap is more of a forte than his crumbing skills. He is one guy that really needs to play to his strengths and his leap is just that.

This is a strong argument for why he should be trained for the wing again. That's where he made his impact. Since we've tried to play him as an exclusive forward, he's gone backwards.

At his best, Hill plays on the wing and then pushes into the forward half to leap across packs and 'steal' marks. He isn't a leading forward, nor is he a one on one forward. He floats across packs and the best way to achieve this is by burning off his opponent with his VO2.

Yes - I know he's been put on the wing at times during the year, but he needs to be told that's his position and work hard over the pre-season to cement it.

[soupman]

Re: Josh Hill

This is a strong argument for why he should be trained for the wing again. That's where he made his impact. Since we've tried to play him as an exclusive forward, he's gone backwards.

At his best, Hill plays on the wing and then pushes into the forward half to leap across packs and 'steal' marks. He isn't a leading forward, nor is he a one on one forward. He floats across packs and the best way to achieve this is by burning off his opponent with his VO2.

Yes - I know he's been put on the wing at times during the year, but he needs to be told that's his position and work hard over the pre-season to cement it.

This.

I know Dog God and myself are both fans of playing Hill off a wing, and I am still confused as to why it has been almost completely ignored as an option by the coaching staff.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Josh Hill

This.

I know Dog God and myself are both fans of playing Hill off a wing, and I am still confused as to why it has been almost completely ignored as an option by the coaching staff.

They don't read WOOF

[ratsmac]

Re: Josh Hill

This.

I know Dog God and myself are both fans of playing Hill off a wing, and I am still confused as to why it has been almost completely ignored as an option by the coaching staff.

I've always considered Hill as a wingman. He burst onto the scene on the wing taking big marks. We threw him forward for necessity and he has been stuck there ever since. He has had little spurts back on the wing but seems like his lost his confidence in that position. I say leave him there and he'll blossom. He actually reminds me of Adam Goodes with his big leap, if only he could follow in the footsteps. I would like to see him play on Saturday night against the swans.

[stefoid]

Re: Josh Hill

In the 80s maybe... Wing these days has to be useful around the stoppages. Is Hill useful around stoppages?

[G-Mo77]

Re: Josh Hill

In the 80s maybe... Wing these days has to be useful around the stoppages. Is Hill useful around stoppages?

No.

Well at least not at this stage of his career. Hopefully it's an area he improves on should we hold onto him.

[Mofra]

Re: Josh Hill

In the 80s maybe... Wing these days has to be useful around the stoppages. Is Hill useful around stoppages?

I think he's not far away - he has clean hands which are required as an outside player.
I think as far as the midfield goes, we arguably have an imbalance of inside mids and not enough quality users of the ball - Boyd, Cross, Ward, Reid & Libba will all be inside mids and could pushing for selection at the same time next year. Cooney & Griff get their own ball, Higgins developing that way (and he's not quick), Picken is tough as nails and accountable, so an outside gut-runner would be very useful. I think this is part of the reason that Gilbee has been pushed up to the wing at times.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Josh Hill

I think he's not far away - he has clean hands which are required as an outside player.
I think as far as the midfield goes, we arguably have an imbalance of inside mids and not enough quality users of the ball - Boyd, Cross, Ward, Reid & Libba will all be inside mids and could pushing for selection at the same time next year. Cooney & Griff get their own ball, Higgins developing that way (and he's not quick), Picken is tough as nails and accountable, so an outside gut-runner would be very useful. I think this is part of the reason that Gilbee has been pushed up to the wing at times.

Hill is hardly a quality user of the ball.