Disgraceful

[Mantis]

Re: Disgraceful

Who have we beaten in the top 5 or 6?

No-one, happy?

Geelong beat us by 2 points, Collingwood by 1pt.... In those games we showed that we can compete with the best sides in the competition.

[Mofra]

Re: Disgraceful

I wasn't at the game so i dont know what exactly happened. I heard he kicked more than 4 on him & anyway Thompson is an old hack. And Thompson didn't have a glowing report of the kid on radio.

Thompson would have been our no 1 forward yesterday. He'd be in our current best 22 over the past month, and probably longer.
I'm sure most fit VFL players would beat an unfit AFL player coming back off injury anyway.

[anfo27]

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Thompson would have been our no 1 forward yesterday. He'd be in our current best 22 over the past month, and probably longer.
I'm sure most fit VFL players would beat an unfit AFL player coming back off injury anyway.

Thompson would not be anywhere near fit, the guy had a heart operation or something 2-3 months ago. Lets not hide from the obvious, are you happy with Tom's performances Mofra?

[Mofra]

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Thompson would not be anywhere near fit, the guy had a heart operation or something 2-3 months ago. Lets not hide from the obvious, are you happy with Tom's performances Mofra?

I'd always like our players to be better.

I'm certainly not going to slag a guy off about a performance in a match I haven't even seen, especially when he was coming back from injury.

[anfo27]

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I'd always like our players to be better.

I'm certainly not going to slag a guy off about a performance in a match I haven't even seen, especially when he was coming back from injury.

I want the boys to play better to mate but if a guy is not pulling his wait I'll say so and tommy aint. Our team is not good enough to carry passengers.

[Mofra]

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I want the boys to play better to mate but if a guy is not pulling his wait I'll say so and tommy aint. Our team is not good enough to carry passengers.

We need a second tall defender. Tommy was nowhere near our worst. Who goes to Bradshaw next week? Everitt would get killed.
Stack was by a mile, yet I haven't heard a peep about him.
Hill can't body on body mark, yet we keep kicking to him this way.
Hahn must have been wearing camoflage for sections of the match, was nowhere near it.

[Mantis]

Re: Disgraceful

I want the boys to play better to mate but if a guy is not pulling his wait I'll say so and tommy aint. Our team is not good enough to carry passengers.

Any chance you can stop butchering the English language and stop slagging off the players?

Yep you are new here, but you won't make too many friends and your posts earn any respect if you keep up with this all guns blazing attitude.

[Mantis]

Re: Disgraceful

I wasn't at the game so i dont know what exactly happened. I heard he kicked more than 4 on him & anyway Thompson is an old hack. And Thompson didn't have a glowing report of the kid on radio.

Just as I thought.... NFI.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Disgraceful

Thompson would have been our no 1 forward yesterday. He'd be in our current best 22 over the past month, and probably longer.
I'm sure most fit VFL players would beat an unfit AFL player coming back off injury anyway.

That's silly if Thompson was still able to contribute he'd be still at Norf.Thompson's done

[Mofra]

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That's silly if Thompson was still able to contribute he'd be still at Norf.Thompson's done

They would have expected Hansen & Tarrant to be fit, and Hale to be contributing.

[anfo27]

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Any chance you can stop butchering the English language and stop slagging off the players?

Yep you are new here, but you won't make too many friends and your posts earn any respect if you keep up with this all guns blazing attitude.

I was educated in St. Albans Mantis so I'm sorry if my english is not up to your standards.

Guns blazing attitude? I made a comment about a guy who is not playing well, what do you want me to say? Do you want me to sugar coat it for you.

[Mantis]

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Guns blazing attitude? I made a comment about a guy who is not playing well, what do you want me to say? Do you want me to sugar coat it for you.

Every post I have read of yours so far has been negative, yep we were shit yesterday, but at some point you are going to have to get over it. As others have said the sky isn't about to fall in and the boys get a chance to redeem themselves this week. One poor performance does not make us a poor team.

And there is no point sugar coating it for me, my feelings are pretty well known around here.

[anfo27]

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Every post I have read of yours so far has been negative, yep we were shit yesterday, but at some point you are going to have to get over it. As others have said the sky isn't about to fall in and the boys get a chance to redeem themselves this week. One poor performance does not make us a poor team.

And there is no point sugar coating it for me, my feelings are pretty well known around here.

Never said we are a poor team Mantis. I think on our day we are a contender no question about that. I only question there mental toughness, thats the only part of our game that i worry about. But I know we can prove everyone wrong in September.

[The Underdog]

Re: Disgraceful

I want the boys to play better to mate but if a guy is not pulling his wait I'll say so and tommy aint. Our team is not good enough to carry passengers.

But who takes the 2nd tall back position?
There's not really anybody else even close to ready. He's not been great but we may as well give him a shot at running into some form at that spot in the one's, seeing as nobody else available can.

[mjp]

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That's rubbish mjp. We ALWAYS complain about Crossy handballing backwards, Hilly doing what he does, Eagleton being a dickhead, Johnno and Hargrave kicking to no one, Griffen playing like a headless chook etc. whether we win or lose. You've been part of this board for yonks, you should know that these faults HAVE been called to account every week (all career!).

Well, go back and look at threads after we win and after we lose...the tone is remarkably different. Sure Eagleton gets crucified every week, every month or so there is a thread about why Crossy doesn't kick more goals (he kicked a very good one yesterday, not a SINGLE positive comment about the work he must be putting in) etc. If you think the post win/post-loss threads are the same you are wrong.

Further more - too many people want it both ways. They want all the good without the bad - you expect all of the good parts of Griffen (eg.read the whole 'Griffen to the midfield thread') yet wont allow or accept that there is a negative to him (and to every single player on the list).

We cant replace Crossy - but he is who he is. Without him, we lose part of our identity - but you have to cop the good with the bad. As an aside, I have no doubt he is under instruction to handball whenever possible...so he is being criticised for doing what he has been told. Just like the Cooney comment - if you are going to bag his kicking - FINE. Take the goals he kicks/creates off the scoreboard. Too many people just aren't prepared to do that though - these so called supporters who post on here and expect perfection from everyone...

If we have people suggesting Johnno is going to change after 300+ games, then they are simply delusional. Decide what you are prepared to tolerate and move on - I would suggest that for the most part the good outweighs the bad.

Every team knows these faults, and the better ones have always exploited it. In fact, the fact that these faults exist means that effort HAS TO always be 100%, or else we lose.

The frustration is that:
a. the coaching panel doesn't compensate for these flaws by dropping players or changing the system to suit (ie. if many players 'blaze away' then a focal forward is an absolute necessity, otherwise, how about teaching players to kick to a leading player?), many of these players don't learn from their mistakes but are never held to account.. when was the last time Hahn was dropped for being useless?

b. the INTENSITY/EFFORT is not consistent, regardless of output. Who cares if Hill can't kick straight if he bloody puts in an honest effort? Instead, we get this waffle week after week. Three good games at the start of the year do not a career make.

Love the plan or loathe it, agree with the structure or hate it - it kind of doesn't matter by this stage of the season - we are who we are.

You say the coaching panel dont drop players - well, fair enough I suppose. But to use your example, if Hahn is dropped, who plays the stay at home forward role in the forward structure? Who does it? There is no-one else to play that role, and if the coaches believe in the plan (as they should) then he has to play. I have been more critical of Hahn than anyone on the board, but even I have to admit it was only two weeks ago he kicked 5 goals and was the difference between the two sides.

If you drop someone, someone else has to play. And like I have been pointing out for 2 years, we DONT HAVE ANY DEPTH. What we have is a group of players (from about number 15 ==> 35 on the list) who really haven't done much to distinguish themselves in any way...that is why we end up with so many 'deckchairs on the titanic' selections.

I said at the start of the year that Addison, Everitt and Gia would determine our season. I kind of plucked Addison and Everitt from the list a bit - the point was we needed a couple of the youngsters to really take a stand. I think Ward has done that. No-one else has (though I have faith in Reid). The rest of the group are not taking their chances - hence the coaches believe that Eagleton continues to be a better bet than the younger group. Why? Because he has at least proved it at some point...

The fact that the Dogs won the second half by ten goals is - instead of an excuse, as you've put it - an indictment on the pathetic collective attitude of this team.. what, because it's West Coast we don't turn up for half a game? What kind of professionalism is there? If my staff put in an effort for only half the time I pay them for they wouldn't be employed very long. The fact that we won the second half by ten goals means that this should have been a comfortable percentage booster instead of an embarassing loss.

I don't know how you can say that the effort was poor for half a game yet still say that you're confident that they'll show up in the finals? Bad habits don't disappear overnight -- and if our first final against Hawthorn last year is any evidence, we're in for another disappointing September.

This team has always been liable to go missing, and no whitewashing of their second half performance can hide that fact.

Pathetic.

It is how you respond in tough times that proves who you are - not what you do when things are rolling along. Backs against the wall, they responded. That is a simple fact. The first half was terrible - yep, acknowledged. But if you hold this to be the truth about them then you must EQUALLY say that the fact that they will fight tooth and nail when they are down and the odds are against them is the truth. But you wont do this - you say that the poor effort represents their behavior, but refuse to say that the fightback does.

'This team' has been liable to go missing? No they haven't - they have lost 3 games in 3 months - and two of those were by less than a kick.

They are not pathetic - not even close. The efforts in the first half were not up to the standards that they themselves had set...they tried to put it right. That is to be admired.