Disgraceful

[AndrewP6]

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Dante Hicks... is there anyone at the club you are happy with? Is there anything we do that brings a smile to your face? Why do you even bother "supporting" our club (and I use that word very loosely)?

[AndrewP6]

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The game against WCE summed up our inherently insipid culture. "Almost there" & "so close". Not ****ing good enough. The past few years we've had the pundits contantly wax lyrical about the Dogs. "Great side, lots of potential, could go all the way", etc etc. And each year, we as a club (and especially those within the club) fall victim to believing this hype, and never actually end up enacting it.

Our culture has turned around noticeably from 2003, when we finished bottom. Smorgo has said several times publicly that the "near enough is good enough" attitude doesn't cut it anymore, and since Eade took over, the club's on-field work has improved. Again, we finished LAST in 2003. We're now heading to the good end of the ladder.

.Complacency has set in, and this means standards drop[/B].

You really think they're content finishing up in the prelim final? Those guys all want to win the big one.

ON NOTICE:

- Smorgon (if you didn't stick the boot up Eade's arse on Saturday, you deserve to take a long look at yourself; demand improvement constantly and demand changes)
- Eade (You've had a fair bit of time now to develop a Plan B)
- Hahn (should be dropped immediately)
- Eagleton (should be dropped immediately)
- Hill (lacking consistency and effort on a weekly basis, 2's for a few weeks)
- Minson (take grabs or **** off; Skipper deserves a chance)
- Addison (not good enough for AFL. Full. Stop.)
- Cooney (get your head out of your arse boy)
- Cross (work-rate is down, one good year doesn't make an elite midfielder)
- Everitt (you've been given the #3, and I'm still wondering why)
- Welsh (join the long list of reject spuds we've signed over the years, you play 1 good game in 5 - not good enough)
- Williams (figure out what you want to do with your life; you're looking like a waste of space)
- Griffen (start performing consistently or I'll really begin to believe Tambling is a better player than you)

Any players you actually like? Oh, and Eade obviously hasn't had long enough, he's now got 2 more years at least.

Robert Murphy. Didn't even play against West Coast, but doesn't escape my wrath in any case. Stop writing wanky articles and focus on your football. I'm sick of how our players get distracted with off-field stuff. You're not James Hird. You've strung together a handful of games in the past couple seasons and you go missing at crucial moments when you do actually play. Murphy, Gia and a few others get a free ride from way too many posters on this forum. They are part of the leadership group and it's time we demand more. They are the ones setting the example to other players.

How many of our blokes get "distracted by off-field stuff"? Murph does ONE article each week, Aker the same. It'd probably take them an hour. They're two of the most professional players going around, in terms of their approach to being match-ready. Should we make them leave their wives and children, and move into the ELC until we win a Premiership?

[LostDoggy]

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Dante Hicks... is there anyone at the club you are happy with? Is there anything we do that brings a smile to your face? Why do you even bother "supporting" our club (and I use that word very loosely)?

I agree with almost all of Dante Hicks' summation. His players summary is a tad harsh but i do agree with him on these players:

- Hahn (should be dropped immediately)
- Eagleton (should be dropped immediately)
- Hill (lacking consistency and effort on a weekly basis, 2's for a few weeks)
- Williams (it's not his fault, but this boy has no football brain, and i'm not sure who runs the fitness and agility test down there as he constantly gets beaten by pace)

I disliked Gia at the start of the year, but this year he has shown he is making the step up to becoming a leader and a valuable member of the side. Sorely missed in recent times.

Minson - Should be a monster, insted is a pussycat. This bloke is the worst player i can rember being on our list in recent memory who's had an extended run in the seniors. Skipper must wonder what he has to do - esp. when this sorry excuse for a footballer is infront of him.

Can't mark, no football brain. Has to be trade bait at end of season, if any team is stupid enough to give us pick 78. Hope that Roughead and Cordy can come along in leaps and bounds asap.

Eade and Smorgon have done a magnificent job it must be said. I'm very happy that Eade has signed a new two year deal.

[Desipura]

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Had half of the first 11 behinds been goals we would have won by five goals.

The players looked very sluggish, and I am sure there was more training load than Eade would have liked made public.

I can only talk from experiances playing paddock footy, that my terrible kicking became worse when fatigued.

I am sure that this may have been a telling case at the start of the game for the doggies. Many of the missed goals and missed target kicks were from tired legs.

So did they get "untired" when they came back to be 8 points in front only to get tired again at the final siren?

[Mofra]

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- Hahn (should be dropped immediately)
- Eagleton (should be dropped immediately)
- Hill (lacking consistency and effort on a weekly basis, 2's for a few weeks)
- Williams (it's not his fault, but this boy has no football brain, and i'm not sure who runs the fitness and agility test down there as he constantly gets beaten by pace)

Who do you replace each with? Hill played on Glass who is a gun FB and kicked two goals despite shocking delivery into the F50.
Williams is vital to our structure - people are perhaps underselling Kennedy's abilities as a forward. I was disappointed we didn't chase him last year.

I disliked Gia at the start of the year, but this year he has shown he is making the step up to becoming a leader and a valuable member of the side. Sorely missed in recent times.

Classic case fo you don't know what you've got till you lose it. People were bagging him before he got injured, despite him leading assists and possibly being our cleanest disposer of the ball in traffic.

Minson - Should be a monster, insted is a pussycat. This bloke is the worst player i can rember being on our list in recent memory who's had an extended run in the seniors. Skipper must wonder what he has to do - esp. when this sorry excuse for a footballer is infront of him.

Minosn is bigger, stronger and quicker than Skip. Skip gives his all but just a few weeks back the board was heralding Minson's breakout year.

Can't mark, no football brain. Has to be trade bait at end of season, if any team is stupid enough to give us pick 78. Hope that Roughead and Cordy can come along in leaps and bounds asap.

If you think Minson is only worth pick 78, please do not apply for any positions at the club in the near future.

[LostDoggy]

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Why would i apply for any positions? Unlike some posters on here, i know i'm just another supporter who's puts up with the average and the bad.

Minson is substandard. I certainly wasn't part of the board heralding his breakout year. He's done nothing. Hudson is twice the footballer Minson is. His desire to get the football from second efforts makes up for his lack of ability and mobility. Minson could do well to develop at least one of these traits.

I just don't acknowledge the argument put forward by some of the more self-loving posters on this forum that we are down to bare bones. "Who do we replace them with?" Answer is those players on your list that can handle a run - Skipper, O'Keefe, Wood (glad he got a run) and FFS, it's West Coast. Baring injury, give Grant a run down Fwd. 20 games in melb, no wins. What other ****ing time would be better to see if he can improve?

[chef]

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Richmond people can still remember winning a Premiership.

I can't remember them winning a flag(I was six at the time). So supporting the Tiges would be a hell of a lot worse than supporting the Dogs IMO.

[Sedat]

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Minson is substandard. I certainly wasn't part of the board heralding his breakout year. He's done nothing. Hudson is twice the footballer Minson is. His desire to get the football from second efforts makes up for his lack of ability and mobility. Minson could do well to develop at least one of these traits.

Minson is a better tap ruckman that Hudson. He's no Jon Brown up forward but his actual ruck work at stoppages is as effective as just about any ruckman going around in the AFL.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Minson is a better tap ruckman that Hudson. He's no Jon Brown up forward but his actual ruck work at stoppages is as effective as just about any ruckman going around in the AFL.

Nice to see someone who understands something about ruck work.

I know the tap by Lynch led to the winning goal, but that happens with the centre bounce. The real problem with that was the lack of a midfielder on the defensive side.

The previous tap, when the ball was recalled for a throw up was a magnificent tap to Aker for a goal. The stats probably don't give Will goal assists for those taps leading directly to goals, but he has provided several goals direct from ruck contests throughout the season.

[gohardorgohome]

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I find it interesting.

IMO both Minson and Hudson are equally handy ruckmen, but Minson seems to cop a lot more flack here because he isnt the best tall forward option.

I think the Minson to a rampaging Cooney taps are not as common this year.....not sure if this is Will's fault of Cooney's lack of a pre season!

[gohardorgohome]

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So did they get "untired" when they came back to be 8 points in front only to get tired again at the final siren?

For sure!!

Catch up footy is dangerous.

Tired legs at the start of the games have less spark than the opponenet, you then can work into the game, hence the comeback.

Then run out of gas....interesting that the last quarter quarter was 3 goals 3 behinds a piece.

[Mofra]

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I just don't acknowledge the argument put forward by some of the more self-loving posters on this forum that we are down to bare bones. "Who do we replace them with?" Answer is those players on your list that can handle a run - Skipper, O'Keefe, Wood (glad he got a run) and FFS, it's West Coast. Baring injury, give Grant a run down Fwd. 20 games in melb, no wins. What other ****ing time would be better to see if he can improve?

Skipper is slower, lighter and shorter than Minson. By Eade's admission he's less likely to take a grab forwad than Minson (despite my wanting Skipper in for Hahn earlier this year, it wont happen).
O'Keefe? Slowest and least fit on the list. Would struggle to run out an AFL game.
Grant? Struggles to run out VFL games.

No point dropping a player if their replacement is going to be worse.

[LostDog]

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I get asked why do you support the doggies ?
Because I like supporting Olympians who aim to win bronze medals
and the Dogs are the closest fit

[LostDoggy]

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Why would i apply for any positions? Unlike some posters on here, i know i'm just another supporter who's puts up with the average and the bad.

Yes most people are happy to accept the avearge and bad.
Rubbish talk.

You also answered your own question. You think you can change things then put your hand up.

[LostDoggy]

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very harsh you guys..bad day at the office ..morals to beat lions this week but can we get rid of Fumbleton he hasnt had a kick for 5 weeks