I think trading is the work of the devil, but just for the sake of it ...

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Good thread Jim with plenty of thought provoking responses. Well done & I have to admit, it shocked me, given you man love for Crossy.

I would never trade Crossy, you know that.

I would hardly ever trade at all.


The point of my OP is that if we were ever to trade, and I never think we should, but if we were to, all the stars align right now and Crossy would be the one.

[Desipura]

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You never know unless you try - another club might think he's just what they need.
Personally, I think he's run his race at the Dogs.

I believe Hahn's lack of pace combined with how quick the game is now, has caught him out. Lets face it, he has no real position on the ground, he plays as a defensive forward who crushes packs. If we had a dare I say it, strong kpp, Hahn's position in our team would not be as important.
If we got a 3rd round pick for him, I would be doing cartwheels!

[LostDoggy]

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Been thinking about your premise, SS -- and given that I agree that 'trading is the work of the devil' -- I think the only trade of Crossy that the club, players and supporters would tolerate is a trade up to another marque player, not down to a speculative draft pick (however high).

This might mean packaging Crossy with a first or second round draft pick, and maybe a gun kid, to go after a Sandilands or a Pavlich (I know, I know), but there are a select handful of KPF players (Pav, Brown, Roughhead) we would give our eyeteeth for, and Crossy + Wood (or the like) + premium draft picks may represent a high enough enticement to certain clubs.

[G-Mo77]

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The point of my OP is that if we were ever to trade, and I never think we should, but if we were to, all the stars align right now and Crossy would be the one.

I was talking about trading to another Bulldog's supporter at work. We have a LOT of players around the 27 - 29 year age mark and they are all Senior footballers. As much as it pains me to say I really think we need to make some movement over the next few years to balance our list. It could get pretty ugly when all those players retire. The players stocks are reasonably high right now so it should be at least talked about.

[LostDoggy]

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I was talking about trading to another Bulldog's supporter at work. We have a LOT of players around the 27 - 29 year age mark and they are all Senior footballers. As much as it pains me to say I really think we need to make some movement over the next few years to balance our list. It could get pretty ugly when all those players retire. The players stocks are reasonably high right now so it should be at least talked about.

The list isn't going to stand still. The players you mention will retire over the next five years or so and in that time we will bring in another 15 players minimum. Add to this the "coming of age of the existing reserves eg Roughead, Cordy, Boumann, Reid, Jones, Grant etc and there is a whole new team.

We have balanced our list well since the mess that Wallet left us in.

[Topdog]

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Plus those guys will finish at different times aswell. I can see Mitch finishing in the next season, not sure Gia has more than 2-3 years left. Cross looks like the kind of player that will stop before he reaches 30. On the flip side Gilbee and Shaggy look like they would play on for a while.

[Sedat]

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I believe Hahn's lack of pace combined with how quick the game is now, has caught him out. Lets face it, he has no real position on the ground, he plays as a defensive forward who crushes packs. If we had a dare I say it, strong kpp, Hahn's position in our team would not be as important.
If we got a 3rd round pick for him, I would be doing cartwheels!

You'd be surprised. Hahn has quite a good rep out there with quite a few opposition clubs. His assets (or perceived assets) are quite visible and sought after by most clubs, and his deficiencies are not as noticable if you aren't watching him intently every week like we do.

[LostDoggy]

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Given I have limited comprehension of how much players get paid, how much $$ would be available with the following retirements / delisting / trade (albeit unlikely) at the end of the season?
Eagleton (350k)
Welsh (250k)
Skipper (150k)
Wight (150k)
Hahn (250k)


Would anyone consider trading Josh Hill back to WA for a Spangher or Staker plus a draft pick combination?

[Desipura]

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You'd be surprised. Hahn has quite a good rep out there with quite a few opposition clubs. His assets (or perceived assets) are quite visible and sought after by most clubs, and his deficiencies are not as noticable if you aren't watching him intently every week like we do.

Well then I would look at trading him if we can get anything inside the 3rd round. If we get Hall next season, Hahn's loss wont be that great. This is no disrespect to the guy who playes the game hard and will always put his body on the line.

[Desipura]

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Would anyone consider trading Josh Hill back to WA for a Spangher or Staker plus a draft pick combination?[/QUOTE]
I would not think you would be that far off the mark with the players salaries, Eagle may be closer to about $300k.
On Josh Hill, I would consider a trade for Spangher but not Saker as he would be a lower priority for mine as he does not address our kpp issue down back.

[LostDoggy]

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Griffen for Tippett?

[Desipura]

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Griffen for Tippett?

Why would the Crows trade a future gun KPP for a future gun onballer? Anyway if Tippett goes anywhere, it mist likely will be to GC.
Walker for Griffen, who would look at that????????

[Mantis]

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Would anyone consider trading Josh Hill back to WA for a Spangher or Staker plus a draft pick combination?

No way.

I wouldn't be trading Hill for anyone.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Griffen for Tippett?

You don't trade away 23yos who still have massive upside, that was the point of the thread.

You trade away 27yos who play in a style that you have an abundance of.


Does anyone remember us trading Darren Baxter to Hawthorn? Baxter had just come off a career best season but Wheels thought that Cameron kid would be OK in Baxter's role. Baxter was finished within a season or two and from memory Cameron played a few reasonable games for us.

[Desipura]

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No way.

I wouldn't be trading Hill for anyone.

Anyone?