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  • KT31
    WOOF Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 5454

    #31
    Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

    Originally posted by mjp
    As for all the negativity about the Saints, they are long-time battlers (much like us) with an even more tragic history...most wooden spoons etc. Surely if anyone can show empathy to their fans it should be us - why are so many people keen to run their noses in it?
    The truth of it all is .

    It would be lonely being at the bottom with only one Premiership.
    It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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    • mjp
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7444

      #32
      Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

      Misery loves company?

      I guess - not sure I feel any better today after the Saints lost than I would have if they had won. I am still struggling with last weeks result and a little bit bitter that we weren't involved - but if you watch the game again (if you have the heart) they took some half chances (the Hayes goal in particular) that we were unable to grab and that's all she wrote.

      The lionising of Riewoldt during grand final week? Sure, that was irritating but Taylor did a hell of a job on him yesterday and - whilst the conditions helped - his efforts may have been enough to win Geelong the game.

      I dont know - throwing vitriol at the Saints fans doesn't sit right with me...
      What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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      • EasternWest
        Hall of Fame
        • Aug 2009
        • 10043

        #33
        Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

        Originally posted by mjp
        Misery loves company?

        I guess - not sure I feel any better today after the Saints lost than I would have if they had won. I am still struggling with last weeks result and a little bit bitter that we weren't involved - but if you watch the game again (if you have the heart) they took some half chances (the Hayes goal in particular) that we were unable to grab and that's all she wrote.

        The lionising of Riewoldt during grand final week? Sure, that was irritating but Taylor did a hell of a job on him yesterday and - whilst the conditions helped - his efforts may have been enough to win Geelong the game.

        I dont know - throwing vitriol at the Saints fans doesn't sit right with me...
        I guess that's a personal choice thing. I have empathy for some Saints players like Hayes who are out and out champions. But my hatred stems from the fact that every single person I know that is a Saint fan (I'm not exaggerating, it's every one) are those niggling, needling ones that sneer and smack of superiority whenever I talk to them about football. Their standard response always revolves around "our great list" or "window still open" or "we've got Roo and Kosi". They're arrogant and condescending to the Dogs and are oblivious to the fact that their history is as poor as ours.

        I don't care what others think. When St Kilda lose, my heart sings. And the choir's going bananas right now.
        "It's over. It's all over."

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        • hujsh
          Hall of Fame
          • Nov 2007
          • 11888

          #34
          Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

          Originally posted by dfa4pm
          I guess that's a personal choice thing. I have empathy for some Saints players like Hayes who are out and out champions. But my hatred stems from the fact that every single person I know that is a Saint fan (I'm not exaggerating, it's every one) are those niggling, needling ones that sneer and smack of superiority whenever I talk to them about football. Their standard response always revolves around "our great list" or "window still open" or "we've got Roo and Kosi". They're arrogant and condescending to the Dogs and are oblivious to the fact that their history is as poor as ours.

          I don't care what others think. When St Kilda lose, my heart sings. And the choir's going bananas right now.
          Maybe if we had about 5 times more wooden spoons than we do now.
          [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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          • EasternWest
            Hall of Fame
            • Aug 2009
            • 10043

            #35
            Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

            Originally posted by hujsh
            Maybe if we had about 5 times more wooden spoons than we do now.
            Good point. But if you don't win the flag, does it matter where you finished really?
            "It's over. It's all over."

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            • hujsh
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2007
              • 11888

              #36
              Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

              Originally posted by dfa4pm
              Good point. But if you don't win the flag, does it matter where you finished really?
              If you a) finish last or b) have some pride in the club then I suppose it does
              [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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              • AndrewP6
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2009
                • 8142

                #37
                Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                Originally posted by dfa4pm
                . But my hatred stems from the fact that every single person I know that is a Saint fan are those niggling, needling ones that sneer and smack of superiority whenever I talk to them about football. Their standard response always revolves around "our great list" or "window still open" or "we've got Roo and Kosi". They're arrogant and condescending to the Dogs and are oblivious to the fact that their history is as poor as ours.

                I don't care what others think. When St Kilda lose, my heart sings. And the choir's going bananas right now.
                Hear hear!!! I've got similar issues...perhaps not every one, but two work"mates" are diehard Aints fans, and one in particular has been gloating and carrying on for months about their premiership chances. In fact, the week of the PF, she was talking along the lines of "When we beat the Bulldogs, and then win the Granny", and stuff like that. And it's been going for months. One had a big sook when the Aints lost their first game during the season! So I'm glad they fell over at the last hurdle. And that it hurt them.
                [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34289

                  #38
                  Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                  Originally posted by AndrewP6
                  Hear hear!!! I've got similar issues...perhaps not every one, but two work"mates" are diehard Aints fans, and one in particular has been gloating and carrying on for months about their premiership chances. In fact, the week of the PF, she was talking along the lines of "When we beat the Bulldogs, and then win the Granny", and stuff like that. And it's been going for months. One had a big sook when the Aints lost their first game during the season! So I'm glad they fell over at the last hurdle. And that it hurt them.
                  I just hope if and when we eventually have our chance our members and supporters have more dignity than that. Some respect of where we've come from and to not tempt fate with arrogance and cockiness.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #39
                    Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                    I only dislike the Saints over the match last week. Didn't really care who won the GF before that if we weren't there.
                    Everything else is just jealousy. They have as many idiot fans as we do and as many as evry otehr club.

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                    • EasternWest
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10043

                      #40
                      Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                      Originally posted by ErnieSigley
                      I only dislike the Saints over the match last week. Didn't really care who won the GF before that if we weren't there.
                      Everything else is just jealousy. They have as many idiot fans as we do and as many as evry otehr club.
                      You're right of course ES. I just like to think I'm not one of them.
                      "It's over. It's all over."

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                      • EasternWest
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 10043

                        #41
                        Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                        Originally posted by hujsh
                        If you a) finish last or b) have some pride in the club then I suppose it does
                        Not really. I'm proud of our year. I'm even more proud of our performance in the PF. But we didn't win the flag, so I'm not bragging. And that's the point I'm trying to make. It's irrelevant to my friends that are Saints fans that they didn't win the flag. You can bet your bottom dollar that the next time I talk to one of them the first thing they'll say will either be "we won 20 games" or "we beat you". There's absolutely no chance they'll say "we were dominant all year and in the GF, but we ultimately failed".
                        "It's over. It's all over."

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                        • Missing Dog
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8501

                          #42
                          Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                          Originally posted by AndrewP6
                          OR the umps could just suck it up...no one could begrudge Milburn a little tanty in the heat of the moment. Even if his spoil missed by about a foot! It's not like he thumped the guy or anything..

                          So if one of your students walked up to you and confronted you in the class room you'd just "suck it up".

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                          • AndrewP6
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 8142

                            #43
                            Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                            Originally posted by aker39
                            So if one of your students walked up to you and confronted you in the class room you'd just "suck it up".
                            No, because my students are children. Both ump and player in that case are adults...and, yes, I have been "confronted" before, and haven't ever expected the kid to be suspended (possibly the school equivalent of a gifted goal)...
                            [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                            • Missing Dog
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8501

                              #44
                              Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                              Originally posted by AndrewP6
                              No, because my students are children. Both ump and player in that case are adults...
                              Makes no difference. If you had senior students, you wouldn't suck it up?

                              In the football scenario, yes they are both adults. One thought he'd touched the football (which he clearly hadn't) and when things didn't go his way, he decided to take his frustration out (in a childish way) on someone who could not respond to that.

                              The AFL brought this on themselves. Darren Goldspink would give as good as he got, but when a couple of players (ironically cats players) took offence to him having a go back at them, they complained to the AFL. Hence, the no tolerance rule.

                              Milburn is one of the worst offenders in terms of abusing umpires. He had actually been warned only minutes earlier after complaining about the previous goal.

                              I don't necessarily agree that a free kick should have been paid, but the umpire clearly thought he was left with no other alternative.

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                              • AndrewP6
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 8142

                                #45
                                Re: Demonstrative Abuse?

                                Originally posted by aker39
                                Makes no difference. If you had senior students, you wouldn't suck it up?

                                In the football scenario, yes they are both adults. One thought he'd touched the football (which he clearly hadn't) and when things didn't go his way, he decided to take his frustration out (in a childish way) on someone who could not respond to that.

                                The AFL brought this on themselves. Darren Goldspink would give as good as he got, but when a couple of players (ironically cats players) took offence to him having a go back at them, they complained to the AFL. Hence, the no tolerance rule.

                                Milburn is one of the worst offenders in terms of abusing umpires. He had actually been warned only minutes earlier after complaining about the previous goal.

                                I don't necessarily agree that a free kick should have been paid, but the umpire clearly thought he was left with no other alternative.
                                Students disagree with your views/judgments/decisions on a daily basis. And at times they do so in a verbal manner. If I was to mete out a punishment I knew was extremely harsh or unfair, I'd get absolutely no respect from the kids, and they'd hate me. Not to mention the backlash from my boss! In a perfect world, the kids would consistently respond with "Yes sir, no sir", with their gaze fixed intently on my every word. But that's not reality. In turn, I can't come down with a big stick every time they express any dissatisfaction.

                                The problem with the AFL umpires Vs Players, is that it isn't a case of "give and take". The umps are able to give orders, (at times a little less than respectfully) and yet the second a player vents some frustration verbally, he's hit with a grossly unfair penalty. The ump could've ignored it, but he chose the free kick, which he knew was going to lead to a goal (and could well have cost the game)

                                If Milburn's behaviour had been that bad, it shouldn't have taken up to that point for them to act.
                                [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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