Jarrad Grant

[chef]

Re: Jarrad Grant

I thought he played pretty well yesterday, if it wasn't for a couple of sprayed kicks and dropped marks he might have been the difference.

[Hotdog60]

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http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/defa...x?newsid=72113

That article states the case in a nutshell , 2007 No 5 draft pick as a Key Position , debut in Feb 2009 after an injury disrupted 2008 , kicked 4 behinds , played nervous , kicked nervous. Fast forward to May 2011 , still trying to find some consistency , still struggling with physical defensive pressure , against Sydney he had 9 kicks, 4 handballs,3 marks ,6 tackles, 2 goals , on paper he made a contribution , with no Hall he really needed to work hard to provide a real target but he can't be a target if he's dragged up the ground

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How many of those 6 tackles stuck? I saw him brushed aside a few times. Even though the stats say he got a few possessions was he effective. 2 goals weren't bad back should we expect more from him at this stage of his career.

[SonofScray]

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I think he is letting himself down a bit at the moment. The effort doesn't appear to be that great, against Collingwood all I saw him do for much of the game was play in the F50 standing still, looking to wrestle and tangle with defenders. The complete opposite way of going about it that saw him get and keep his spot. Just silly.

Body language is poor. The stats however suggest he is working to get involved up the ground and racking up a few possessions. Not sure what to make of that.

If I got the sense it was a bit of ego / bad habit creeping in I'd have him dropped for a few weeks.

[Scorlibo]

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Pick 5

Shocking kicking style that hasn't changed since he got to the club. Kick the ball vertically (right on the point). This what really irks me about him. The recruters would have known about it, the club would have. Why hasn't it changed?

I can't see him ever bulking up

Looking through the 07 draft it's not particulary deep in terms of forwards/key forwards. Henderson (bris/carl) is really the only one of note, and he's hasn't shown a great deal.

Love to know what they saw in him (he's been promising in patches since debuting) but what justified his pick 5 by the club? why has his kicking style (surely one of the worst in the AFL, especially in open play) not changed in 4 years at the club?

His kicking style is very popular, used by Gary Ablett, Lindsay Gilbee, Jake Melksham and Heath Shaw to name a few. It is a perfectly acceptable technique and has afforded him an elite efficiency at junior level. Any issues with his disposal seem to usually come when he is running full-pelt or is generally off balance. This is easily fixed.

Perhaps his greatest strength is the one which we haven't seen much of (for various reasons, strength, team structure etc.) and that is overhead marking. His hands are very sticky. In any case, it's been a great effort for him to become a regular contributor to the side so early, and it should still be another couple of years before we judge him on what he was drafted for.

Do you think the ego has got a little out of control and he knows that he's a best 22 now, so the need to work hard is a little less important to him? Might seem a bit negative, but he's always came across to me as a player who thinks he's pretty good.

No, I think if anything he needs to pump his ego up a bit. All the best key forwards have a massive ego, and Jarrad should be aiming to become our number one forward.

How many of those 6 tackles stuck? I saw him brushed aside a few times. Even though the stats say he got a few possessions was he effective. 2 goals weren't bad back should we expect more from him at this stage of his career.

Should we though? This is only his fourth year, for a very skinny key forward he's definitely ahead of most in their fourth year. He needs more time to start coming on as a genuine forward target, at the moment he's doing well just to be a contributor.

I would like to see Rocket encourage Jarrad to fly for more marks, and work on not getting eased under the ball as much. His marking depends on him getting a free run at the footy, Nick Riewoldt style, he won't learn much from the Barry Hall wrestling style because that's just not what he does best. Play to his strengths Rocket.

[Before I Die]

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I think he is a victim of his outward demeanour. He never smiles or looks enthusiastic and I believe some posters have translated this into a lack of effort or willingness to work hard. I don't agree. He is not yet a big body and he is being asked to carry the forward line without Hall or Hahn from last year and no real support from any of the ruckmen. Let's see what happens when a few senior players return and the workload is shared a little.

[the banker]

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He is an opportunist not a KPF target. I think he is disppointing and appears to lack to last 5%+ to be a damaging AFL player.

[soupman]

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I think he is letting himself down a bit at the moment. The effort doesn't appear to be that great, against Collingwood all I saw him do for much of the game was play in the F50 standing still, looking to wrestle and tangle with defenders. The complete opposite way of going about it that saw him get and keep his spot. Just silly.

Is it possible he was under instructions to stay inside the 50 so that their defenders couldn't peel off as usual?

I'm unsure what to make of the criticism. I think it's mostly unfair. He has shown he has some elite attributes (pace, sticky hands, goal sense) and whilst being skinny he hasn't really let that be exploited by his opponents. He has also shown himself to be capable pushing up the ground across half forward like Robert Murphy has, and while his form has been average this season it has to be remembered that this is just his second year of AFL footy and many players have periods of poor form before they hit the 50-75 game mark. I think he'll justify his selection.

[SonofScray]

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Is it possible he was under instructions to stay inside the 50 so that their defenders couldn't peel off as usual?

I'm unsure what to make of the criticism. I think it's mostly unfair. He has shown he has some elite attributes (pace, sticky hands, goal sense) and whilst being skinny he hasn't really let that be exploited by his opponents. He has also shown himself to be capable pushing up the ground across half forward like Robert Murphy has, and while his form has been average this season it has to be remembered that this is just his second year of AFL footy and many players have periods of poor form before they hit the 50-75 game mark. I think he'll justify his selection.

Terrible coaching if that is the case. Drop Grant, sack Rocket. I 100% believe he will be a very good player for us, due to the skill set you've mentioned. The knock on him early was his application, which in terms of him using those skills to the best advantage as a forward lately hasn't shone through at all.

[The Coon Dog]

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Terrible coaching if that is the case. Drop Grant, sack Rocket. I 100% believe he will be a very good player for us, due to the skill set you've mentioned. The knock on him early was his application, which in terms of him using those skills to the best advantage as a forward lately hasn't shone through at all.

Soupaman asks is it possible he was playing under instructions? That's all it was & you've gone & made a quantum leap leading to a ridiculous comment about sacking the coach! FFS what has this forum degenerated into?

[GVGjr]

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FFS what has this forum degenerated into?

The forum hasn't degenerated into anything and I hear a lot worse by our own supporters every week. SoS expressed and opinion and it's now up to others to debate the merits of it.

[The Coon Dog]

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The forum hasn't degenerated into anything all

I'll agree to disagree on that!

[lemmon]

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My biggest criticism and its one that is probably to the fault of no one is his body shape more then anything else. Looking at a guy like Jurrah today he has gone from a relatively spindly Grant type into a really powerful athlete, big across the chest and arms in a similar space of time. Is it simply Grants shape that wont let him pack on the kilos or is it the way he's being managed? Honestly I cant see him making it as a genuine key forward at his current size, just look at the duress Murphy was put through playing up forward at his shape.

[Ghost Dog]

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He is an opportunist not a KPF target. I think he is disppointing and appears to lack to last 5%+ to be a damaging AFL player.

Hi Banker
- prepared to give him a chance seeing he was only a NAB player last year? or a bit more pessimistic.

IMO Grant is going through the bell shaped curve. not an excuse, just a stage of development.
At times, players appear to worsen - n in fact, incorporating new information and processing it, experimenting and taking things in. Barry not there for extended period - first time in Grants development. Other new players to work with.
etc.
will slow up, not to be confused with drop in application. He's just adjusting IMO.

Early on, the club put him through the wringer in toughness tests, being woken up early, taken on endurance runs, army style. - flying coloursfrom all reports. He's a good kid.
If anyone knocks his body shape, just look at dustin fletcher. Nobody would have guessed his career would span eons. Opportunists who can run like him are very welcome in our foward line.
IMO only---but then again, I'm an optimistic kind of guy.

[Bornadog]

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My biggest criticism and its one that is probably to the fault of no one is his body shape more then anything else. Looking at a guy like Jurrah today he has gone from a relatively spindly Grant type into a really powerful athlete, big across the chest and arms in a similar space of time. Is it simply Grants shape that wont let him pack on the kilos or is it the way he's being managed? Honestly I cant see him making it as a genuine key forward at his current size, just look at the duress Murphy was put through playing up forward at his shape.

Apparently has tried to bulk up but he just can't. Looks like he will be a skinny spindly shaped player.

[SonofScray]

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Soupaman asks is it possible he was playing under instructions? That's all it was & you've gone & made a quantum leap leading to a ridiculous comment about sacking the coach! FFS what has this forum degenerated into?

Are you going to offer any analysis of the game, or the player in question? Or simply analyze the quality of peoples' posts? Honestly, the whole "this forum used to be cool, man" line is a feature of every forum I read. It's just typical elitist hipster crap.

I am responding to a comment made regarding whether or not my perceptions of Grant were the result of instruction. They certainly could have been, if that is the case it would be an example of some very poor coaching. An example which I would add to a list of concerns I have about Eade's tenure which could lead to his sacking.

In terms of Grant, he is a good player, has a great skill set but he isn't getting the most of it, maybe due to coaching but mostly due to application. In my opinion.

How about in future, either pick up on the topic being discussed and contribute, or just let it go rather than wasting my time with this "oh poor us, the forum isn't what it used to be" crap.