Everitt

[LostDoggy]

Re: Everitt

if Pods was drafted by us, we would have put him in the emergencies every week then dropped him at the end of the year.
This is our style almost there almost there almost there, oh we missed out

If Pods had changed his last name to Eagleton and shaved his head, he would have been guaranteed a game for life

[Ghost Dog]

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What are your thoughts on Everitt? Are we not utilising him correctly? Where should he be playing?

I would love to hear your thoughts on this topic as I value the opinion of others on this forum highly. Go Dogs!

I would put Everitt above Jhonson, Hahn, Eagleton, Stack, Hill, and a whole conga line of other players who seem to jump get straight to the front of the queue.
While I think the media hoo-haa about him wanting to switch clubs last year was a tad over-cooked, blowed if I know why they don't give him a run. He looks good dashing down the wing.

[Ghost Dog]

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Can you please post on here with a bit more respect?

I accept there are players you think aren't up to it, but to continually denigrate them by constantly referring to them as duds hinders your argument.

Some of these players have family & friends who frequent WOOF & I'm sure they too would find this sort of stuff tedious & boring.

Agree with the above. come on guys. I could probably run for 20 seconds of a full game and kick a ball half as far as an AFL player if I had the wind behind me. They deserve a bit more respect

[LostDog]

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If Pods had changed his last name to Eagleton and shaved his head, he would have been guaranteed a game for life

lol thats classic and true

[Mofra]

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I would put Everitt above Jhonson, Hahn, Eagleton, Stack, Hill, and a whole conga line of other players who seem to jump get straight to the front of the queue.

It gets back to one simple question - where do you play Everitt?
I like what he can offer but he hasn't nailed down a position within the team, and he needs to find his role to claim a spot in the best 22.

[Rocco Jones]

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Everitt definitely falls into the difficult basket when it comes to finding a suitable role but that's what great coaches do. Look at the work of the likes of Roos and Lyon. They make wonderful use of seemingly ordinary players by maximising their strengths and minimising their weaknesses in certain roles.

I have a feeling that if Everitt intended up being traded to the Saints at the end of last season he would be playing decent AFL footy right now.

[LostDoggy]

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While Podsiadly is playing well at Geelong at the moment, would he be playing as well at any other of the 15 clubs in the AFL? I love the way he plays but I do think he is a perfect fit at Geelong and is complemented by their personnel. Let's face it, when you have Cam Mooney, Stevie J, Paul Chapman and others along side you in the forward 50 it does tend to stretch the opposition defence a little bit. He is playing their structure to perfection which allows him to swing on to his left foot every time. That's my defence on behalf of the club to your second point. With regard to your first point we now can not answer it and never will be able to, so lets move on.

Near on took the words right out of my mouth.

[Bornadog]

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if Pods was drafted by us, we would have put him in the emergencies every week then dropped him at the end of the year.
This is our style almost there almost there almost there, oh we missed out

Sorry mate but that is a rubbish post. I am sure the coaches and selection committee know more about the players than you and I or any WOOF poster does.

[Rocco Jones]

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Sorry mate but that is a rubbish post. I am sure the coaches and selection committee know more about the players than you and I or any WOOF poster does.

While I don't really agree with the nature of LostDog's post, I really find your comment typical of a lot of posters here.

If something looks like it's going wrong, it's just because we don't know what Eade and co. are trying to do etc.

Mindless positivity is tolerated to celebrated on here but if someone dare be critical of Eade and co. they are met with the 'he is our coach and you are a poster' line.

Eade to me is looking like an ordinary coach (not great nor poor). Fanboys here will gush over him when we smash the teams making up the numbers but we just keep on keeping on when it comes to losing the big games. Would dearly love to be proven wrong and see Eagle, Hahn and co. contribute in wins in big games.

[Bornadog]

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While I don't really agree with the nature of LostDog's post, I really find your comment typical of a lot of posters here.

If something looks like it's going wrong, it's just because we don't know what Eade and co. are trying to do etc.

Mindless positivity is tolerated to celebrated on here but if someone dare be critical of Eade and co. they are met with the 'he is our coach and you are a poster' line.

Eade to me is looking like an ordinary coach (not great nor poor). Fanboys here will gush over him when we smash the teams making up the numbers but we just keep on keeping on when it comes to losing the big games. Would dearly love to be proven wrong and see Eagle, Hahn and co. contribute in wins in big games.

Well lines like this is our style (see LostDogs post) is just rubbish. I know you have mentioned before about criticizing Eade, but I can't agree with you. If there is justification and reasons why a coach makes mistakes or is not up to scratch, then I can't see anything wrong with that. However, posts like, Eade doesn't know what he is doing or Eade is useless, etc etc, are just plain bagging for no reason at all.

I have sat here watching the Willi game this afternoon and basically Everitt needs to work harder and play better if he wants to get back to the seniors. Whilst he played a pretty good game, in a 20 goal thrashing it wasn't an outstanding effort. Therefore his non selection is justified.

PS: Tell us why you feel he is looking like an ordinary coach?

[The Underdog]

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I would put Everitt above Jhonson, Hahn, Eagleton, Stack, Hill, and a whole conga line of other players who seem to jump get straight to the front of the queue.
While I think the media hoo-haa about him wanting to switch clubs last year was a tad over-cooked, blowed if I know why they don't give him a run. He looks good dashing down the wing.

You'd seriously put Everitt ahead of Johnson? You mean Brad right? The 300 game champion of the club and Captain of the team.
I know he's had a rough season but I find that difficult to believe.

[Rocco Jones]

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[QUOTE=bornadog;159913]Well lines like this is our style (see LostDogs post) is just rubbish. I know you have mentioned before about criticizing Eade, but I can't agree with you. If there is justification and reasons why a coach makes mistakes or is not up to scratch, then I can't see anything wrong with that. However, posts like, Eade doesn't know what he is doing or Eade is useless, etc etc, are just plain bagging for no reason at all.
[QUOTE]

I agree with you that simply bagging out Eade and the players without any logic are useless and do harm to the board. I strongly disagree with the tone and logic (or lack of) used by James Cumming and LostDog.

However I also don't find mindless positive helpful or insightful as well.

Putting it simply to me..
The MC MUST be right, they obviously know more than us! = uninsighful
Eade is a poo poo head (or whatever JC said)= unsightful and insulting

I have sat here watching the Willi game this afternoon and basically Everitt needs to work harder and play better if he wants to get back to the seniors. Whilst he played a pretty good game, in a 20 goal thrashing it wasn't an outstanding effort. Therefore his non selection is justified.

PS: Tell us why you feel he is looking like an ordinary coach?

It's funny. Imagine Roos wasn't in charge of the Swans. Someone like Kirk or now Mumford may have ended up being nowhere near the level they achieved/are achieving under him. I believe someone like Everitt is a great example of a player who could be flourishing under a great coach but of course there is no way to prove otherwise.

When I say ordinary I don't mean it how society seems to, as if it's synonymous for poor. I think he is middle of the road/average for use of better terms.

Why?
- Guys like Hill and Everitt who just don't improve. He comes across as a teacher who bitches about a difficult student rather than trying new approaches to teach them.
- Continual faith in guys who keep on letting us down in the big games.
- So very short term in his team selections. We pick our 22 each week as if we are playing a final. I think it really hurts us in trying to get games into our kids as well are rewarding the wrong type of attitude. If you're a senior player it's harder to get out of the team than in it.
- Our record in big games. We are flat track bullies. We fail in big games then forget about it after a few wins against sides out of the top 4-6. It's a cycle.
- Our forward line structure looks out of touch in the modern game. Where's the defensive pressure? We look awful when the oppositon gets the ball against any decent oppositon.
- Use of Boyd and/or Cross. They are obviously limited players who are great in a contest. I would love to see them in roles that maximise their strengths and limit their weaknesses rather than generic run with roles where quality opposion burn them going the other way. I would love to see Boyd in a more industrial/close checking role. A bit like Ling or Jones. He might not end up looking as good on the stats sheet but I really believe he would add more value to the side.
- Our team balance really looks out of wack against quality sides. I think Eade plays too many forwards to compensate for our lack in scoring depth. No point in playing a forward if they are not up to it.
- We keep on playing a conservative brand of footy and Eade keeps on saying it's the players. We seem to have a chip, chip default and players revert to what they know when under pressure. Either Eade is telling them to be conservative or they are not listening to his instructions. Either way doesn't pain a great picutre.

I am not saying I am right with all these points. I agree I have nowhere near the knowledge on our team or the game but I am not the one being paid very well to take care of our team. Being a superior footy mind to Rocco Jones shouldn't be the AFL coach benchmark.

If you want to believe Eade is great and getting the most out of our players it's impossible to prove you otherwise as you can always just believe it's Dre's fault for not putting in the work and the like.

I am not the type of fan that would rather be prove right than have his team succeed. I would take great delight in Eade and co. proving me wrong. Once again I don't see him as a dud or the like, just an ordinary, stock standard AFL coach.

[chef]

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PS: Tell us why you feel he is looking like an ordinary coach?

Can he be anything other than that if he hasn't won a flag?

[Rocco Jones]

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Can he be anything other than that if he hasn't won a flag?

I believe so. I think Lyon is a quality coach. I also believe that ordinary coaches can win a flag if their list is amazing (GC and GWS might give us an example or two of that in a few years).

[Bornadog]

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[QUOTE=Rocco Jones;159923]

. Once again I don't see him as a dud or the like, just an ordinary, stock standard AFL coach.

Stock standard coaches don't get your team into the preliminary final two years in a row and with a little luck, last year could have been a grand final.

I agree and all posters will agree, we haven't played well this year, but is that a coaching thing? Is it due to not having your best team on the park? Is it because we are still adjusting our forward line to having a genuine tall for the first time since Grant retired?

I personally don't think Roos is the greatest coach either, for starters he couldn't control Barry Hall, in fact the way he communicated to Hall (off field ) was via text.

We are all success starved and want a premiership, but everything has to go right in a premiership year, ie no injuries, all players in form and playing like a team. Some of these things cannot be controlled by the coach and of course other things like training, development, talent picking, game plans etc can. I have no insight into these things and sits hard to judge when we lose whether its the coaches fault or players fault, however, the coach can only do so much.

All I know is that under Eade we have developed into one of the most feared sides and a genuine contender. All we need is a bit of luck with injuries and we can go all the way.