Round 14 - WOOF Selection Table

**LostDoggy** · 21-06-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by Mantis

They held up well in the first when West Coast were getting their fair share of the ball, but had it pretty easy when we seized control in the 2nd half. The fact that WC had just 11 I50's after half time proves that the supply well and truly dried up.

Sure supply dried up but Shaggy hadn't looked that great his last few games, things pretty much went as well as we could have hoped for considering how rusty he had been. Great to get a game into him before the break.

**LostDoggy** · 21-06-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by always right

Liking the look of Easton. Has leapfrogged Addison IMO for that fringe spot in the team.

If Easton keeps playing like that i'd have to agree. Although addo was pretty good on the weekend apparently. If we were hit with injuries at a bad time i'd still have faith you could bring Addison in for a really big game, a final even, and be confident he'd at least make the opposition earn every possession the hard way.

**LostDoggy** · 22-06-2010, 03:10 AM

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Where does someone like Tiller sit at the selection table? Does anyone think he will get an opportunity this season?

**Missing-Dog** · 22-06-2010, 08:31 AM

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Nah Tiller aint up to it. Hes a good ordinary player i reckon

**Mofra** · 22-06-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by arkie

Where does someone like Tiller sit at the selection table? Does anyone think he will get an opportunity this season?

Hard to say - from what I've seen at Willy last year & this year, he plays a Lake-style "general's" role down back at Willy and really owns his space there (often looks a cut above VFL level). My worry is that at 191cm he has to play slightly differently at AFL level.

He strikes me as a tough type of player - my dad says Tiller reminds him alot of Bernard Toohey, and I find it hard to disagree. Plenty of competition for his spot though, especially considering Wood's vertical leap puts him in the mid-sized bracket.

**Bornadog** · 22-06-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by frank

Sure supply dried up but Shaggy hadn't looked that great his last few games, things pretty much went as well as we could have hoped for considering how rusty he had been. Great to get a game into him before the break.

Picked up a lazy 27 Disposals, probably his best game for the year.

**Desipura** · 22-06-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by BornInDroopSt'54

Bravo. Stated with two great human attributes, Poise and Dignity as opposed to two human vices, Pride and Prejudice.
Mantis you are clearly intelligent and articulate yet frequently show an inability to reflect on your own prejudice against Eagleton. Yours is not the nasty prejudice that likes to see the blood of a weakened victim. But yours is the prejudice that is powered by your own pride in your prejudice that Eagleton does not meet your standards. Even though Eade and the professional opinion of our club is that you are wrong and that Eagleton meets the standards of the club and the needs of the team, you think no, they are wrong, I am right (pride). All you need to do is question your standards: "maybe I don't know the full picture, maybe I don't know as much as the professionals????" It;s not strange to other people that maybe that's true. Hey maybe you, as I and everyone else, has prejudices, but maybe others take more responsibility for theirs and temper them, whereas you go full pelt at them like your opinions are infallible.
Eagleton offers a lot to the side or else he wouldn't be in it.

There you go Mantis.

**Mantis** · 22-06-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Desipura

There you go Mantis.

How would you like me to respond to that one Desi?

**Desipura** · 22-06-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Mantis

How would you like me to respond to that one Desi?

Its pretty difficult to top that, I know.

**Curly5** · 22-06-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by divvydan

Listened to Eade's press conference and two things were really noteworthy with regards to selection.

1. Higgins, Williams and Ward will all be available for our next game
2. Grant has and Wood has 'just about' (so not 100% but close) secured a spot in the team

Given that, if Ward, Williams and Higgins all come in, my guess would be that Stack, Hill and Eagleton would go out.

That's drawing a long bow, on the basis of the press conference. Did Eade criticise Eagleton? No, but he damned Wood with faint praise.

Originally posted by DOG GOD

Yep, this is the way i would go. Eagleton just doesnt do enough of the hard stuff for me, and Hill and Stack need to go back to Willi and learn how to "go in hard". Ward and Higgins offers more in the fwd 50 than them two.

Williams is a shoe in to come back into the team, and from what i've seen so far of Wood, there is NO reason to shaft him. He is hard at it and offers more run than say an Everitt at this stage.

Well, unlike the anti-Eagleton faction (is that better than saying Eagleton bashers?) I think Eagle does do plenty of hard stuff. He often gets crunched in packs. Agree on Hill and Stack though. Coming up against some hard "unsociable" teams would find them out. Wood plays a different role to Eagleton and while he's been good, his spot is vulnerable atm.

Originally posted by BornInDroopSt'54

Bravo. Stated with two great human attributes, Poise and Dignity as opposed to two human vices, Pride and Prejudice.
Mantis you are clearly intelligent and articulate yet frequently show an inability to reflect on your own prejudice against Eagleton. Yours is not the nasty prejudice that likes to see the blood of a weakened victim. But yours is the prejudice that is powered by your own pride in your prejudice that Eagleton does not meet your standards. Even though Eade and the professional opinion of our club is that you are wrong and that Eagleton meets the standards of the club and the needs of the team, you think no, they are wrong, I am right (pride). All you need to do is question your standards: "maybe I don't know the full picture, maybe I don't know as much as the professionals????" It;s not strange to other people that maybe that's true. Hey maybe you, as I and everyone else, has prejudices, but maybe others take more responsibility for theirs and temper them, whereas you go full pelt at them like your opinions are infallible.
Eagleton offers a lot to the side or else he wouldn't be in it.

Spot on. You need to look at his role, not just whether you think he's number 18 or 22 in the side, or whether he's "as good" as someone with an entirely different role. As long as Eagle does what the coaches want, and there's no reason to think he's not, he'll stay in.

**Mantis** · 22-06-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Curly5

Well, unlike the anti-Eagleton faction (is that better than saying Eagleton bashers?) I think Eagle does do plenty of hard stuff. He often gets crunched in packs. Agree on Hill and Stack though. Coming up against some hard "unsociable" teams would find them out. Wood plays a different role to Eagleton and while he's been good, his spot is vulnerable atm.

Most knowledgable posters don't go down the 'Eagleton is soft' path... He puts his body over the ball when he has to/ needs to.

Originally posted by Curly5

Spot on. You need to look at his role, not just whether you think he's number 18 or 22 in the side, or whether he's "as good" as someone with an entirely different role. As long as Eagle does what the coaches want, and there's no reason to think he's not, he'll stay in.

Ok I will.

His role is to be our link-man... To break the lines and to deliver long & clean delivery to our forwards.... Is that how you see it?

The problem I (and others) have is that over the past couple of years Nathan has been unable to play this role against quality opposition. Sure he looks good against poor opposition who allow time & space, as he was allowed in the 2nd half against WC, but he hasn't been able to have an impact against teams that apply constant pressure, the same teams we will have to beat if we are to win a flag.

I don't care if he plays in the team or not... I don't, but if he does I would like him to play his role and so far against good teams I don't think he has (or does).

**LostDoggy** · 22-06-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by arkie

Where does someone like Tiller sit at the selection table? Does anyone think he will get an opportunity this season?

He still looks a little heavier than he was when he was playing regularly, and his fitness would still be below par. He did look promising against a shocking CS on the weekend though, and as Mofra said he looks like he's playing the deep roaming role of Lake.

With Markovic being injured recently, and in some opinions, a little slow for AFL level, perhaps the match commitee have given instructions to German to play Tiller in a similar role as Lake plays.

There is no immediate replacement for a Lake or Morris if one of those two go down outside of Markovic and Tiller.

**Bornadog** · 22-06-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Mantis

I don't care if he plays in the team or not... I don't, but if he does I would like him to play his role and so far against good teams I don't think he has (or does).

I don't think he has played well this year and in hindsight would not have given him another year.

**Bulldog Revolution** · 22-06-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by bornadog

I don't think he has played well this year and in hindsight would not have given him another year.

I think hes had a good career and been handy given our injuries in 2010 but not a lot more

We have to invest the time in kids at this stage, given that for most of the year we've been a long way off the pace.

The thing that works in his favour is that we dont have that many good young link men, as Mantis describes his role, and he is a guy that genuinely can run and does. He runs hard and this is particularly noticable in second halves when other teams wear out.

Who else do people think in the VFL team can play this role?

**Bumper Bulldogs** · 22-06-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by bornadog

I don't think he has played well this year and in hindsight would not have given him another year.

Fair enough but you cant predict injury's and he is only getting back from one now. I'm sure he will feel he owes the playing group as some took pay cuts to keep him at the dogs.

Maybe we need Boyd to front him and explain his role, I'm hoping that he comes good for the back 1/2 of the year.

I'm not sure against other years but IMO he has missed more targets this year which is making him a fringe player.

The question is could a Wood, Harbrow or Moles play that role. (If the kicking is better than the Eagle)

Round 14 - WOOF Selection Table

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