Ayce Cordy?

[Bornadog]

Re: Ayce Cordy?

Whereas Tutt impressed in his debut, Ayce struggled in what was little more than a VFL standard game. Yes it was his first AFL game but I'm seeing little to suggest he will cut it at the required level. I hope to be proven wrong and that a big pre season might step him up a gear in his development.

I agree, I thought Cordy struggled in his first game. Time will tell.

[Ghost Dog]

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K templeton-like-body. Will need lots of game time, but no more than Warnock or other brontosaurus types do.

diamond in the rough. Get behind him.

[Maddog37]

Re: Ayce Cordy?

I thought he was pretty average but he at least did not look terrible. Some players you look at and think yuck straight away. You would think he is still a year or two away from being a solid AFL player.

[LostDoggy]

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What's with the inability of our young talls to kick straight from (even relatively easy) set-shots at goal?

They can all clunk a mark, but all of Jones, Roughead, Grant and Cordy are terrible kicks for goal (in stark contrast to Bazza) -- if they had put away their chances yesterday we would be talking about a 120 point win. It's not like I'm talking about some exotic skill -- set goalkicking is a (if not the) fundamental requirement of a forward. My worry is that if they can't handle the pressure of kicking straight in a game that was over by quarter-time and while leading by 90 points they'll never be able to.

[chef]

Re: Ayce Cordy?

What's with the inability of our young talls to kick straight from (even relatively easy) set-shots at goal?

They can all clunk a mark, but all of Jones, Roughead, Grant and Cordy are terrible kicks for goal (in stark contrast to Bazza) -- if they had put away their chances yesterday we would be talking about a 120 point win. It's not like I'm talking about some exotic skill -- set goalkicking is a (if not the) fundamental requirement of a forward. My worry is that if they can't handle the pressure of kicking straight in a game that was over by quarter-time and while leading by 90 points they'll never be able to.

Grant's pretty reliable to me and Cordy's had one shot, bit early to be calling him terrible.

[LostDoggy]

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Grant's pretty reliable to me and Cordy's had one shot, bit early to be calling him terrible.

His shot was from 20/25 metres out on a slight angle, it sailed across the goals and didn't even go through for a behind. If that's not terrible I don't know what is. True it's a pretty early call, but I just noticed it as part of a pattern with our other talls. Grant has never been a reliable kick for goal even under no pressure. Under pressure he's a monty to miss.

What seems weird to me is their entire process prior to kicking for goal (same for Jones and Roughy) -- it always seems improvised somehow, like they don't practice it enough to know automatically just what to do from various set shots. I mean, with the pretty close ones on slight angles most players go through a routine, get up pretty close to the mark and just kick straight. We have guys going back a long, long way, with weird run-ups and generally banging it on the boot in hope.

Our smalls generally do it a bit better, but even Griff and Higgins have gone from pretty reliable set-shots early in their careers to 50-50 propositions (and in Griff's case, much worse than 50-50).

Serious question chef -- do you really think we put enough emphasis on our set-goalkicking, and are you happy with it?

[Mantis]

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Our smalls generally do it a bit better, but even Griff and Higgins have gone from pretty reliable set-shots early in their careers to 50-50 propositions (and in Griff's case, much worse than 50-50).

They showed a stat yesterday that Griff had kicked 16.9 this year from set shots.... To me that means he is 64-36 possibility of kicking a goal.

But he did miss all together from that shot so there goes that idea.

[chef]

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Serious question chef -- do you really think we put enough emphasis on our set-goalkicking, and are you happy with it?

TBH I wouldn't have a clue on how much emphasis we put on it, that would be better answered by someone who goes to training weekly. I do agree about Jones and Roughead being weak set shots for goal but I think this is more about having a poor kicking action which I don't think can be fixed. I have to disagree about Grant as I think he has a nice action and a straight kick(16 goals 6 this year) with only a bit of penetration lacking. Way to early to judge Cordy.

[LostDoggy]

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TBH I wouldn't have a clue on how much emphasis we put on it, that would be better answered by someone who goes to training weekly. I do agree about Jones and Roughead being weak set shots for goal but I think this is more about having a poor kicking action which I don't think can be fixed. I have to disagree about Grant as I think he has a nice action and a straight kick(16 goals 6 this year) with only a bit of penetration lacking. Way to early to judge Cordy.

Good answer! Most of my thoughts are based on perception so I don't have a whole lot of stats to back it up, hope that they all prove me wrong over their careers -- no one would be happier than myself.

ps. Grant has a great action kicking for goal on the run or in open play. Set shot kicking is mainly between the ears, as Granty (Chris!) can well tell anyone.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Ayce Cordy?

Cordy's shot was his only kick, late in his first game so he might of been stuffed or nerves got to him. Still should have got the distance. Jury still out of his kicking.

[GVGjr]

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Grant's pretty reliable to me and Cordy's had one shot, bit early to be calling him terrible.

Cordy isn't a good kick for goals based on what I have seen. 'Terrible' might be on the harsh side of assessments but he has some work to do to become regarded as average.

[GVGjr]

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Good answer! Most of my thoughts are based on perception so I don't have a whole lot of stats to back it up, hope that they all prove me wrong over their careers -- no one would be happier than myself.

ps. Grant has a great action kicking for goal on the run or in open play. Set shot kicking is mainly between the ears, as Granty (Chris!) can well tell anyone.

I've banged on about this numerous times but from the training sessions I have seen our application to set shots for goals is very poor. The players regularly cheat by running off their line plus we rarely have someone standing on the mark. There is also no one giving players a spray when they miss their 3rd shot because they didn't again allow for the wind.

Needs to get better.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Ayce Cordy?

I've banged on about this numerous times but from the training sessions I have seen our application to set shots for goals is very poor. The players regularly cheat by running off their line plus we rarely have someone standing on the mark. There is also no one giving players a spray when they miss their 3rd shot because they didn't again allow for the wind.

Needs to get better.

Permission to print that out and post it to the club?

[westdog54]

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They showed a stat yesterday that Griff had kicked 16.9 this year from set shots.... To me that means he is 64-36 possibility of kicking a goal.

But he did miss all together from that shot so there goes that idea.

There should be a 3rd column for set shots, the ones that miss everything. Would paint an interesting picture I think.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Ayce Cordy?

He wasn't up to it. He actually reminded me of Cam Wight in his first game against NM at Docklands ..... seemed to run up and down on the spot and have no presence on the ground.

Didn't instil any hope into me yesterday.