So where are we at?

[chef]

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I don't know which way to go. Would you want a tried or untried coach?

Probably an untried coach(unless Roos wanted to coach us, plus we would never be able to afford Malthouse)).

[chef]

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Hi Chef.


So in your view, a % figure of players V coach regarding how much blame you lay regarding our current prediciment

I was talking to a friend of mine about American NFL, where the contract arrangements a la Neil Craig are more the norm. He said, the pressure is a lot less when things go south over there, whereas in AFL, fans get pretty feral on the coach fast.
The constant speculation is a factor they don't have or something along those lines and the players tend to be blamed more than the coach. Not sure...just what he said.

You honestly think Rocket was to blame for our mid game fade out on Sunday?

It's his game style and his group of players. He's had 7 years to mould this.

[chef]

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How many more kids do you want to play?

I would like as many as possible, but I have the view that this group of players are not going to win us a flag(I hope I'm wrong) and we missed our chance over the last 3 years.

[mjp]

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I would like as many as possible, but I have the view that this group of players are not going to win us a flag(I hope I'm wrong) and we missed our chance over the last 3 years.

OK.

But we are already playing:

Markovic
Ward
Skinner
Wallis
Higgins
Roughead
Jones
Grant
Hill
Stack
Moles
Wood
Addison

Fair enough with regards to vets (Gia, Hall, Boyd, Cross, Hudson, Gilbee, Hargrave, Morris, Lake, Murphy) and young vets (Cooney, Griffen, Williams, Picken) but I am not sure how much younger we can get.

If Shaggy comes in over the next couple of weeks (and I think he should) then the likes of Schofield will move back a rung in terms of selection...

I know you are saying 'play the kids' but I would have said that we ARE playing the kids. The problem I have with it is playing a kid like Skinner yesterday when to me he was never going to be right to play. And others such as Dalhous who appears to both fit a need and be 'ready' to be given a go are not eligible to be promoted.

[chef]

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OK.

But we are already playing:

Markovic
Ward
Skinner
Wallis
Higgins
Roughead
Jones
Grant
Hill
Stack
Moles
Wood
Addison

Fair enough with regards to vets (Gia, Hall, Boyd, Cross, Hudson, Gilbee, Hargrave, Morris, Lake, Murphy) and young vets (Cooney, Griffen, Williams, Picken) but I am not sure how much younger we can get.

If Shaggy comes in over the next couple of weeks (and I think he should) then the likes of Schofield will move back a rung in terms of selection...

I know you are saying 'play the kids' but I would have said that we ARE playing the kids. The problem I have with it is playing a kid like Skinner yesterday when to me he was never going to be right to play. And others such as Dalhous who appears to both fit a need and be 'ready' to be given a go are not eligible to be promoted.

I guess there is only one way to find out who is the right kid to play. I would like to give Skinner a couple more weeks before making judgement on him, coming on as a sub during the third quarter isn't the best IMO.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I guess there is only one way to find out who is the right kid to play. I would like to give Skinner a couple more weeks before making judgement on him, coming on as a sub during the third quarter isn't the best IMO.

You're just making excuses for a kid who isn't anywhere near ready for AFL football. OK, he's had a taste and should have an idea of how far he has to go. Now send him back to Willi for the rest of the year.

We are where we are because we have played too many kids. The 20 game rule means we are not allowed to critisize because obviously every one of them is our saviour - except Stack of course - but the harsh reality is that "good efforts" and "encouraging" from inexperienced players is equal to "should be dumped forever and possibly shot just to make sure" from experienced players.


Probably a bad example, but Boyd - 33 touches, 6 tackles, 67% efficency was apparently the cause of the problem. Ward - 24 touches, 1 tackle, 71% efficency was BOG.

The difference I see there was Boyd tackled and got it a heap more times.

[chef]

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You're just making excuses for a kid who isn't anywhere near ready for AFL football. OK, he's had a taste and should have an idea of how far he has to go. Now send him back to Willi for the rest of the year.

We are where we are because we have played too many kids. The 20 game rule means we are not allowed to criticize because obviously every one of them is our saviour - except Stack of course - but the harsh reality is that "good efforts" and "encouraging" from inexperienced players is equal to "should be dumped forever and possibly shot just to make sure" from experienced players.


Probably a bad example, but Boyd - 33 touches, 6 tackles, 67% efficiency was apparently the cause of the problem. Ward - 24 touches, 1 tackle, 71% efficency was BOG.

The difference I see there was Boyd tackled and got it a heap more times.

I'm not making excuses, how can we tell if he's ready for AFL coming on as a sub in the third quarter. I would just like to see him get a couple of games in a row. Could you tell with Wallis after his game against Freo?

We are where we are at because our more senior players aren't having a big enough influence on matches(and maybe our game plan is outdated?), Boyd excluded as he has been fantastic so far this year but can't do it all by himself.

I don't mind us playing the kids because in my mind ATM we are not a premiership threat and the games we can get into them this year will hold us in good stead for the future.

[LostDoggy]

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I'm not making excuses, how can we tell if he's ready for AFL coming on as a sub in the third quarter. I would just like to see him get a couple of games in a row. Could you tell with Wallis after his game against Freo?

We are where we are at because our more senior players aren't having a big enough influence on matches(and maybe our game plan is outdated?), Boyd excluded as he has been fantastic so far this year but can't do it all by himself.I don't mind us playing the kids because in my mind ATM we are not a premiership threat and the games we can get into them this year will hold us in good stead for the future.

First time I've heard this on this website.

[chef]

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First time I've heard this on this website.

Really?

I thought he has lead well by example in all our matches this year.

[LostDoggy]

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Really?

I thought he has lead well by example in all our matches this year.

I agree Boyd has been great, people whinge about his disposal, when you get the ball as much as someone like him you are going to stuff some up, better than not getting the ball.

[the banker]

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I think the obsession with youth is silly. Paul Roos and Michael Malthouse have built premierships on recruiting experienced players that will do a job and help build the team ethos. For a kid to come in and impose on a game is extremely rare. (Martin is one out of the box) In an Aristotlean sense I think we need balance. At the moment on this forum there seems to be an excess of "try kid" mentality. We have been blooding enough kids (probably too many). Give responsibility and a sense of purpose to the older players. Experience counts for lots in my book.

Our aim at this point should be to start winning games. If we won the next 2 we will have confidence going in against the Hawks. We haven't failed yet so lets keep our sights on making the eight, and having the team up and going in September.

[LostDoggy]

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I agree Boyd has been great, people whinge about his disposal, when you get the ball as much as someone like him you are going to stuff some up, better than not getting the ball.

Absolute crap.

Griffen had 27 disposals on the weekend, and was a lot more effective then Boyd.

I would rather Boyd have 20 disposals, all effective & have an impact on the game.

[Ghost Dog]

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I think the obsession with youth is silly. Paul Roos and Michael Malthouse have built premierships on recruiting experienced players that will do a job and help build the team ethos. For a kid to come in and impose on a game is extremely rare. (Martin is one out of the box) In an Aristotlean sense I think we need balance. At the moment on this forum there seems to be an excess of "try kid" mentality. We have been blooding enough kids (probably too many). Give responsibility and a sense of purpose to the older players. Experience counts for lots in my book.

Our aim at this point should be to start winning games. If we won the next 2 we will have confidence going in against the Hawks. We haven't failed yet so lets keep our sights on making the eight, and having the team up and going in September.

LOL in an Aristotlean sense...hmmmm
I suddenly had an image of Rocket Eade in a Toga..
How does an Aristotlean sense of balance differ from your common garden variety of balance? ^_^

Glove38 - didn't Boyd come out in an article and pretty much admit his disposal had been pretty awful? Seem to recall him being pretty honest about it....

[GVGjr]

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I'm not making excuses, how can we tell if he's ready for AFL coming on as a sub in the third quarter.

His form at Williamstown and on the training track is a fairly good indication. I get where you are coming from but the match committee did him no favors by selecting him.

[LostDoggy]

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Glove38 - didn't Boyd come out in an article and pretty much admit his disposal had been pretty awful? Seem to recall him being pretty honest about it....

I am not sure, if he did, i am glad he is honest in his own assessment of himself this season.

Boyd can definitely improve a hell of a lot this season, that's the one bonus we have.