Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2011 - R9 Western Bulldogs vs WCE

I can't remember saying/writing this in his career - I feel I regularly defend him when discussing footy with my family - but what was with Tom Williams today?

That last handball to Griffen was one of the dumbest things I've seen done on a footy field. He went to ground easily, couldn't stick tackles...it was just awful.

We have all been hoping the experiment of transforming Williams from a rugby league junior to an AFL senior footballer would be successful. But it has always been in the back of our minds that this hasnt really worked but we have been hoping beyond hope.

Today, it finally blew up in our faces and giving up a first round draft pick for Williams by the "recruiting guru" Scott Clayton was another error of judgement .... as was Tim Walsh.

[GVGjr]

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You know what I bet you he comes out next week and gets the Job done on Franklin, It will give us all hope again and then we will be let down in the coming weeks....sound familiar

I will be delirious if you are right but I think the hard truth is Tommy is no more than a toiler. He misreads the ball in flight, his body work still shows the hallmark of a guy who came to footy late, and his decision making is still poor. His early injuries gave him a mystique of a raw untapped talent that hasn't been justified. I actually think Markovich, though still inexperienced and raw, has gone past Tommy.

It gives me no joy to say it, but I think we've all been overly starry-eyed about what Tom offers, and this has been evident for a while. He is on his best days a serviceable third defender, not the dashing CFB that he promised to be that day in Launceston when he played on Buddy.

[Missing-Dog]

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Yep, was a shocker. His season up to this point has been good I thought, and on the back of a very solid year in 2010.
Think it's a bit harsh questioning his drafting at pick 6, on the back of 1 shocker when he has shown overall good positive improvement following his bad run with injuries.

Agree he has improved over the years. They have tried to make a footballer of him. Never will be an A grader!

[SonofScray]

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You'll be getting your wish this week.

Yeah, I'm expecting things to get nasty. As far as I am concerned, that loss spent any remaining credits this current crop representing our Club had in the bank.

[LostDoggy]

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Yep, was a shocker. His season up to this point has been good I thought, and on the back of a very solid year in 2010.
Think it's a bit harsh questioning his drafting at pick 6, on the back of 1 shocker when he has shown overall good positive improvement following his bad run with injuries.

Yankee, I have grown tired of hearing about Tom's injuries. He was a first round draft selection and it is time for him to play like one.

[LostDoggy]

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I will be delirious if you are right but I think the hard truth is Tommy is no more than a toiler. He misreads the ball in flight, his body work still shows the hallmark of a guy who came to footy late, and his decision making is still poor. His early injuries gave him a mystique of a raw untapped talent that hasn't been justified. I actually think Markovich, though still inexperienced and raw, has gone past Tommy.

It gives me no joy to say it, but I think we've all been overly starry-eyed about what Tom offers, and this has been evident for a while. He is on his best days a serviceable third defender, not the dashing CFB that he promised to be that day in Launceston when he played on Buddy.

Its possible that the MC will stick with Williams and slot Mulligan in as a 2nd CHB against Hawthorn, I hope they do , the matchups this week against the talls just did'nt work , Mulligan would have been handy to play on the 40m arc to help try to cut off the ball supply

That being said , you do need a midfield working hard to stop the ball getting there in the first place

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[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Yankee, I have grown tired of hearing about Tom's injuries. He was a first round draft selection and it is time for him to play like one.

I'll repeat. He had a shocker.
He had a good year last year, and up until today has been pretty good.

He won't be the first or last player to have a absolutely terrible day.
You can say your sick of hearing about his injuries, but it doesn't remove the fact that it robbed him the best part of two and a half years of his career, and furthermore since then has shown steady improvement.

That he was an early pick, is not of his doing and has no bearing on how he should perform. He can only play to the ability he has. Right now he's a serviceble player who today got shown up.

[LostDoggy]

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Shame, Shame, Shame, I live in the West, and I have barracked for this team all my life..................Today I am totally gutted!! and yes I am surrounded by Eagles supporters, the absolute scurge of the AFL!! The emails and phone calls have started fropm people that havent heard of in quite some time!

[LostDog]

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I left Pattersons at Half Time today, the most positive thing I think I have written on here for a week

[Scraggers]

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Negative Nancys as far as the eye can see ... Same vitriol after every loss ... Predictable

[The Underdog]

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Negative Nancys as far as the eye can see ... Same vitriol after every loss ... Predictable

I think everyone's struggling to pull positives out of today. The reality is we're a long way off the good teams...and some of the average ones.

[MrMahatma]

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So, lets do like we have done every year, sit down witht he footy record and put a red line through players on our list.

Who makes for good trade bait?
Who is going to get us nothing on the trade table?
Who is a keeper?

I'm happy to offload half the team to GWS right now for a few draft picks.

Eagles showed against Freo last week - when Kerr & Embly were late withdrawals - that in modern footy, the blokes on the park are only a part of the picture. Tactics, effort, discipline and desire go along way to winning the game these days.

We don't display any of the necessary traits of successful teams.

Is there anything our team is better than other teams at? Used to be ball use/skills - that's not the case now. We don't pressure or tackle better than anyone. We don't run harder...

[Bornadog]

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Williams - was he our 1st rd draft pick a few seasons ago?
Dont think that choice has payed dividends.

Williams was taken the pick after Franklin, I think it was 6. He has done well this year, but was out gunned today as was the whole team.

Posters, easy to start talking about we should have picked that player or why did we go for this player. Lets sack the coach etc etc. Its all emotional and a waste of time reading it.

What I would like to see discussed is what are we going to do next week against the Hawks.

Cooney, Hall, Lake must come in.

I would keep Jones in and drop Grant, Moles and maybe Marcovic, not sure yet depends on match ups.

[LostDoggy]

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Give me 1 positive out of todays game Scragger..You except that performance and like our beloved Dogs, we all become predictable!!

[MrMahatma]

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Negative Nancys as far as the eye can see ... Same vitriol after every loss ... Predictable

There's losses, there's bad losses, then there's what we all just witnessed.

As much as many of us like to pull the trigger on being negative, I don't think anyone can really say something today that isn't deserved. We're simply out of our depth currently - and it simply can't be just the blokes on the park. There's more to it - and as with all professional sports, the coaching/admin are going to have to wear the brunt of the fall out.