Round 10 Team

[LostDoggy]

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Apologies if i missed something about this on another thread, but i thought that Cooney would only need a week's rest for his knee. Is there anything to suggest that it is worse that first thought?

Has been confirmed as an ongoing problem with his kneecap, as I though it would be

http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showpost.php?p=215340&postcount=23

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[Jasper]

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At least we will be able to see if this bloke is up to it or not. For heavens sake, he was a first round draft pick and he performs worse than an elevated rookie.

I hate saying it but I agree (to the extent Franklin will captain my fantasy footy teams...). Having said that Morris may well play on Lance and while better than Williams, it doesn't overly excite me either. Particularly with the service Lance will get if our mids form and pressure is anything to go on. An unpressured Hodge, Burgoyne and Rioli drilling it to Lance on an undersized Morris or an underskilled Williams is...troubling

[Bornadog]

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That was then, this is now - one swallow doesn't make a summer...

Williams' confidence and form may be less than back then. Also our defence was a more cohesive unit, our mids were applying pressure, and I think Lake was playing and able to help.

In short we were a better team back then, and I don't think Williams is particularly better.

I don't agree, I think Williams is much more confident now than he was back then. Other than last week, he has played well this year and has been steady in the backline. He played well against Cloke who was in hot form and beat him. Last week, he looked like a player not ready to come back, but then again the whole backline was wobbly.

[LostDoggy]

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Spots are meant to be earned on footy teams, not just given away as per reputation.

You do realise that this is a Bulldogs forum, right?

There is no coach in the AFL more in love with his favourites than Rodney Eade and he picks them consistently regardless of form.

Malthouse abandoned sentimentalism at the selection table and won a premiership with loyal club servants in the VFL; Eade would never have been capable of that.

His judgement on our list is compromised and it has hurt us already and will continue to hurt us in the future.

Why did a clearly finished Mitch Hahn play nineteen games last year when we should have given more opportunities to our kids? Why is he currently on our rookie list? How the hell did Giansiracusa finish in front of Cooney, Lake, Boyd, Hudson and Hall in the B&F last year? Why didn't they send Josh Hill back to the reserves sooner in 2009 so he could find his form before September instead of carrying him for weeks and dumping him at the end of the year? I could go on and on.

It is nothing short of ridiculous to suggest that the dumping of Gilbee, Grant and Stack in response to a 123 point thrashing is anything short of a cop out. Gilbee (who kicked six goals two weeks ago under the same roof that we'll be under on Sunday) isn't the apple in Rodney's eye like Giansiracusa, Higgins, Williams and Cross are. Dropping him is easier (and pretty bloody foolish).

Whilst Grant and Stack may benefit from a run in the VFL, they have played less than fifty games between them. Teams don't lose by 123 points because two inexperienced players in the forward line weren't up to it and one veteran was below standard. That's pathetic.

We looked horribly slow against West Coast and we've just dropped two guys with a bit of pace. We were smashed in contested possessions by the largest margin in our history and we've dropped outside players. Our defensive efforts were a disgrace and we've dropped a forward and a couple of flankers.

I'm not convinced that we've addressed the real problems.

This is same old, same old. The wheels fall off at the top, Eade protects his favourites, smacks one guy he's fallen out of love with and punishes a couple of kids.

[LostDoggy]

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You do realise that this is a Bulldogs forum, right?

There is no coach in the AFL more in love with his favourites than Rodney Eade and he picks them consistently regardless of form.

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This is same old, same old. The wheels fall off at the top, Eade protects his favourites, smacks one guy he's fallen out of love with and punishes a couple of kids.

I just don't buy much of this. Last year Lake, Cooney, Gilbee, Hudson, Grant would all have been playing this week. We called for blood when they played injured players previously - Cooney/Lake are both out until they get it right so that fitter players get a shot. We hated when Eade played out of form favourites/"name" players - the MC has taken a stand on Grant, Gilbee and possibly Hudson who would have been walk up starters every week on reputation previously.

You can only hold the MC and Coach accountable for current decisions and IMO your overview suggests anger rolled over from last season rather than a current analysis.

[G-Mo77]

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They call me Mr Glass!!!!

/obscure?

Ha ha, was thinking the exact same thing

[LostDoggy]

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the MC has taken a stand on Grant, Gilbee and possibly Hudson who would have been walk up starters every week on reputation previously.

What stand? Do you think Grant and Gilbee were the cause of our 123 point defeat? Were they even in our worst five players on the ground? Worst ten?

We lost contested possession by more than fifty. That's not on Grant and Gilbee. Our clearances were shocking. Again, not Grant and Gilbee's full time department. Our defense leaked goals and was pathetic in one on one contests, see a trend here? Sure, they and Stack were crap and lazy too, but I'd be worried about anyone who watched that game objectively and thought that that Grant and Gilbee most deserved to carry the can for the loss. They, unlike a few others who were awful last week, were also quite good the week before.

Do you honestly think that the dropping of a fading flanker and a young forward will be the 'stand' that sends shockwaves throughout the team? Do you think that everyone now feels that they are on notice because Gilbee (the 2011 version, not 2008) and Grant (Jarrad, not Chris) have been omitted?

You don't lose by 123 points without making changes. Rather than addressing the form issues of some of our most important players (the guys who really were responsible for the thrashing), Eade picked the easiest targets in the team to dump, just like he always does.

You think that's taking a stand?

You can only hold the MC and Coach accountable for current decisions and IMO your overview suggests anger rolled over from last season rather than a current analysis.

That is quite possibly the silliest thing that I've ever read in this forum. A discussion on current Match Committee selections is enhanced by an understanding of their performance to date. History can repeat itself or we can learn from our mistakes. You might want to take your blinkers off.

2010 showed that wise team selection is crucial for Premiership success. We have a coach who has consistently allowed under performing seniors to retain their spots in the team and it has had a negative impact on the club.

If Malthouse displayed the same loyalty at the selection table, then Lockyer, Medhurst, Fraser and O'Bree would have been in the seniors in September and 2010 could have played out very differently.

[macca]

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[QUOTE=The Rocket;217399]You do realise that this is a Bulldogs forum, right?

There is no coach in the AFL more in love with his favourites than Rodney Eade and he picks them consistently regardless of form.

Malthouse abandoned sentimentalism at the selection table and won a premiership with loyal club servants in the VFL; Eade would never have been capable of that. ]

Agreed. The number of players that have been dropped or reinvented by Malthouse is impressive. Leon Davis, dropped in 2nd GF, reinvented as a half back flanker, Toovey was struggling to get a game 2 years ago, Chris Dawes, and Leigh Brown discarded by North Melbourne. Hard decisions on senior player to play the kids infront of them, obree, licuria, lockyer, medhurst for Beams, Macaffer, Brad dick, Sidebottom, Thomas etc... Delisted Stanley, Illes , and Jarryd Blair, where has he come from ?

Apart from Harbrow who had lightening pace, and brilliant manoeuvring skills.

[Remi Moses]

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Little unfair, after last weeks debacle 20 players would be dropped.
Come on be fair we've had a few debut this year. The only hit I have is that Lake should be playing give the lad the challenge of Buddy . A few others will get dropped if there are more poor efforts

[Mantis]

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We looked horribly slow against West Coast and we've just dropped two guys with a bit of pace. We were smashed in contested possessions by the largest margin in our history and we've dropped outside players. Our defensive efforts were a disgrace and we've dropped a forward and a couple of flankers.

I'm not convinced that we've addressed the real problems.

This is same old, same old. The wheels fall off at the top, Eade protects his favourites, smacks one guy he's fallen out of love with and punishes a couple of kids.

So what are the real problems? Who should have paid the paid the price for an inept performance? You have no doubt highlighted areas of weakness from our game last week (as others have), but have not provided a resolution in how the problem should be tackled.

The efforts of our 'engine room' was disgusting in the last 45minutes last week so who from in there pays the price?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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There is no coach in the AFL more in love with his favourites than Rodney Eade and he picks them consistently regardless of form.


It is nothing short of ridiculous to suggest that the dumping of Gilbee, Grant and Stack in response to a 123 point thrashing is anything short of a cop out. Gilbee (who kicked six goals two weeks ago under the same roof that we'll be under on Sunday)

Whilst i agree with the summation Eade has picked his favourites in the past, I dont agree drastic changes should be made this week. I think Eade is giving the group one more chance to respond. This game against the Hawks will test what the group is made of. If they respond with a ferocious effort then thats what Eade is looking for. Grant deservedly got dropped. He has been hopeless this year with no improvement and no effot or intensity. Gilbee i agree was unlucky. He should be reinvented as a forward after his 6 goal bag but he is done as a defender.

However they are all on their final notice. Any poor individual performance this week from players who have consistently been poor this year and there should be no excuses to drop them. They are on their final notice and need to respond. No better opportunity like this week after a 123 point drubbing

[always right]

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It's probably a little unfair to judge the response from the MC to last week until you see the final side. At the moment it is a squad and the only definite outs are Grant, Gilbee and Stack. At the moment Hudson, Sherman and Moles are all named on an extended interchange bench. If any of these three (or all of them) don't make the cut, what will be your view of the changes we've made?

Personally I've found it difficult to predict the changes for this week. Whilst our defence was smashed last week, it seemed that the damage was caused by our defensive effort at clearances and from our midfielders. So who were the culprits?

Boyd? Most acknowledged that he tried his heart out.
Cross? See above
Sherman? Seemed to be one of few that tried to make something happen
Liberatore? Can be cut some slack due to his inexperience
Griffen? Far from our worst but had little impact
Moles? Rot had well and truly set in when he came on but gave us nothing
Ward? Had a poor game but is well loved on this board and is usually hard at it
Hudson? Was run off his feet and smashed at clearances
Minson? Had no impact

Some supporters don't see a couple of these blokes as our future....fair enough, but based on last week's performance who deserved to be dropped? I would suggest all of them. At this stage only Sherman and Moles appear to be vulnerable based on them being listed on the extended bench. It's so hard to judge by watching the game on the TV......what I couldn't work out is who was on Shuey who seemed to be given a free rain?

If the final outs are Grant, Gilbee, Stack, Hudson, and one of Moles or Sherman, I would think that was a pretty strong response. Depending on the effort this week, we might see some other "regulars" playing for Willi in two weeks time.

[Mofra]

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Why did a clearly finished Mitch Hahn play nineteen games last year when we should have given more opportunities to our kids? Why is he currently on our rookie list? How the hell did Giansiracusa finish in front of Cooney, Lake, Boyd, Hudson and Hall in the B&F last year? Why didn't they send Josh Hill back to the reserves sooner in 2009 so he could find his form before September instead of carrying him for weeks and dumping him at the end of the year? I could go on and on.

Maybe you should put that question in the context of who was trying to get a game.

You can't just axe blokes on perception - there needs to be a better alternative at Willy. Last year, there simply wasn't in most cases.

All of last year we heard the same story - Hahn & Gia were too slow to provide defensive pressure. The same people probably wouldn't believe they were the only two forwards who did provide adequate defensive pressure.

I do believe Rocket dropped Hahn early in his coaching tenure too when he was unhappy with a performance. He's dropped Gilbee after a poor showing. I expect Hudson wont play this week either.

The "favourites' myth isn't one that stands up well to proper scrutiny.

[Ozza]

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I'm a bit disappointed that we would give Gilbee the boot this week - considering he is one of the blokes who can kick - and has reasonable pace.

Staggers me that Reid would be added to the squad. Hopefully he doesn't play. We have more than our fair share of slow players that don't use the ball well.

[Bornadog]

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Maybe you should put that question in the context of who was trying to get a game.

You can't just axe blokes on perception - there needs to be a better alternative at Willy. Last year, there simply wasn't in most cases.

All of last year we heard the same story - Hahn & Gia were too slow to provide defensive pressure. The same people probably wouldn't believe they were the only two forwards who did provide adequate defensive pressure.

I do believe Rocket dropped Hahn early in his coaching tenure too when he was unhappy with a performance. He's dropped Gilbee after a poor showing. I expect Hudson wont play this week either.

The "favourites' myth isn't one that stands up well to proper scrutiny.

Couldn't agree more, I am sick and tired of reading that we didn't drop players last year when we should have. Yes we should have but again I say who put up their hand amongst the young players?