Round 10 Team

[Scorlibo]

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Scorlibo, the MC obviously do not agree with you re Gilbee as it was they who took his head.
They dropped him with a stern message before Moles went down with the Flu.

I think the dropping of Gilbee was largely due to pressure on the MC to 'make a statement'. The supporters wanted blood. Knowing this, I can see why Gilbee was dropped over some other senior players, but I don't agree on the reactionary MC response. Unfortunately they have to pay attention to the public perception because it's what keeps our club afloat.

RE Higgins: I should have been more clear, I don't think he is match fit. He hasn't played a full game for 5 weeks. Should have been brought back via Williamstown.
Previous to this I thought he has been ok.

RE Gilbee: His for has been ok pre Richmond nothing fantastic regardless of his disposal numbers. Number of touches mean nothing.
DJ should have come in for Moles. We are very very slow in the midfield and now bringing back Gilbee into the mix doesn't exactly help that cause.

Higgins: for sure, I completely agree that he should have come back through Willi rather than travelling across the country to play on the biggest ground in the league after coming back from a 3 week injury.

Gilbee: touches do mean something, even if they don't mean everything, they are a good general indication of a player's output. It's easier to fix a player who gets a lot of the footy and doesn't execute correctly than a player who doesn't get near it. Knowing Gilbee, and knowing how well he can use the football, I would have thought the most definitive factor in his football would be how often he gets involved. Lindsay's not slow either, and I don't think Djerrkura is particularly quick. Half of being a quick mover is knowing where to run and running there decisively, something that gives players like Gilbee, Murphy and Cooney more time than guys like Hill, Djerrkura and Moles despite the latter group having a fair bit more raw speed than the former.

[Ghost Dog]

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I think the dropping of Gilbee was largely due to pressure on the MC to 'make a statement'. The supporters wanted blood. Knowing this, I can see why Gilbee was dropped over some other senior players, but I don't agree on the reactionary MC response. Unfortunately they have to pay attention to the public perception because it's what keeps our club afloat.



Higgins: for sure, I completely agree that he should have come back through Willi rather than travelling across the country to play on the biggest ground in the league after coming back from a 3 week injury.

Gilbee: touches do mean something, even if they don't mean everything, they are a good general indication of a player's output. It's easier to fix a player who gets a lot of the footy and doesn't execute correctly than a player who doesn't get near it. Knowing Gilbee, and knowing how well he can use the football, I would have thought the most definitive factor in his football would be how often he gets involved. Lindsay's not slow either, and I don't think Djerrkura is particularly quick. Half of being a quick mover is knowing where to run and running there decisively, something that gives players like Gilbee, Murphy and Cooney more time than guys like Hill, Djerrkura and Moles despite the latter group having a fair bit more raw speed than the former.

how's Lindsay's kicking efficiency been this season, just out of interest?

[Remi Moses]

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how's Lindsay's kicking efficiency been this season, just out of interest?

It's all about kicking efficiency these days.
Statistics like amount of disposals is all that dream team stuff

[LostDoggy]

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According to Channel 10 tonight, Lake went to Eade and said play me.

Surely this isn't the case?

[Ghost Dog]

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It's all about kicking efficiency these days.
Statistics like amount of disposals is all that dream team stuff

I wasn't taking a pot. Just intersted to know and too lazy to check.

[GVGjr]

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According to Channel 10 tonight, Lake went to Eade and said play me.

Surely this isn't the case?

Why would you discount it? To me it sounds plausible.

[EasternWest]

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Why would you discount it? To me it sounds plausible.

Agreed. And I like it.

To me the talk of Lake's poor body language of late has been a bit bemusing. IMO Lake always looks aloof and disinterested, it's just his demeanour. I'm wondering if it's just that his form's been down/body hasn't been right that people are noticing it more?

[Scorlibo]

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how's Lindsay's kicking efficiency been this season, just out of interest?

According to kicking efficiency stats, he is our best kick, ranked number 17 in the competition:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/liam-jurrah-leads-top-100-kick-list/story-e6frf9jf-1226060435985

[LostDoggy]

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Why would you discount it? To me it sounds plausible.

Just interesting to me.

Hopefully it's a case of Lake wanting to prove himself & stand up for the team, not a case of "I'm too good for Williamstown, play me Rocket".

[comrade]

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Just interesting to me.

Hopefully it's a case of Lake wanting to prove himself & stand up for the team, not a case of "I'm too good for Williamstown, play me Rocket".

Considering Brian's attitude previously was "I don't want to play...anywhere", this change of heart/attitude is a big positive.

Now he has to go out there and back it up.

[Evel]

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4 poor performers were dropped. I cannot understand why everyone is so determined to drop the senior players.



Re: Higgins,

Round 1 vs Essendon, he was one of our best players among a fairly ordinary bunch.
Round 2 vs Brisbane, he was again one of our best with 23 touches and 3 goals.
Round 3 vs Gold Coast, one of our very best with 32 disposals and 1.4.
Round 5 vs Fremantle, quietish for three quarters before turning it on in the last quarter to nearly get us over the line - 25 touches and a goal.

So you'd reckon he's had 3 games where he's seen out four quarters, and four good games. Sounds good to me.

Re: Gilbee,

Round 3 vs Gold Coast, an admirable return from injury with 21 touches including good use of the footy and 2 goal assists.
Round 5 vs Fremantle, 19 touches, a goal and a solid game.
Round 6 vs Collingwood, a poor game, just 9 touches, but still some scoreboard impact with 1 goal and 2 assists.
Round 7 vs Sydney, a good game, 22 disposals and signs of a return of 2006 Gilbee.
Round 8 vs Richmond, a whopping 10 goals contributed through 6 goals and 4 assists as he adjusted to the role that was asked of him brilliantly.

Again, this strongly conflicts with your perception of poor form before the West Coast game. I suggest you and whoever else is relentless calling for Lindsay and Shaun's heads actually sit back for a moment and look at the facts.

Can't speak for others, but I feel that the team needs to be refreshed and players like Gilbee (and other players too, but am sticking to the players named above) need to be replaced due to the fact that I don't think he's going to take us to that next level. He's been part of the core group for some years now and we've fallen short in the past 3 years. As your stats above say, playing well against GC and the Tigers is commendable, but he had poor games against Collingwood, West Coast (both challengers for top 4 this year) and I can't honestly recall seeing any signs against the Swans that made me think he was back to his old self. He may help us win a few games against lesser opposition, but we haven't seen any evidence that he's going to tear the top teams apart so at what stage does the club pull the trigger on him?? Would have preferred to see DJ given a crack. Has only played 1 and a bit games this year and his quarter and a bit against Brisbane was fairly decent in that he had an impact. Yes it was also against lesser opposition so let's see what he does against a potential top 4 contender. He's 2nd's form has been reasonable this year

Agree with you on Higgins. Provided he's fit, he shouldn't be dropped just yet.

[Bornadog]

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Can't speak for others, but I feel that the team needs to be refreshed and players like Gilbee (and other players too, but am sticking to the players named above) need to be replaced due to the fact that I don't think he's going to take us to that next level. He's been part of the core group for some years now and we've fallen short in the past 3 years. As your stats above say, playing well against GC and the Tigers is commendable, but he had poor games against Collingwood, West Coast (both challengers for top 4 this year) and I can't honestly recall seeing any signs against the Swans that made me think he was back to his old self. He may help us win a few games against lesser opposition, but we haven't seen any evidence that he's going to tear the top teams apart so at what stage does the club pull the trigger on him?? Would have preferred to see DJ given a crack. Has only played 1 and a bit games this year and his quarter and a bit against Brisbane was fairly decent in that he had an impact. Yes it was also against lesser opposition so let's see what he does against a potential top 4 contender. He's 2nd's form has been reasonable this year

Agree with you on Higgins. Provided he's fit, he shouldn't be dropped just yet.

Against Collingwood, Gilbee played as a defensive forward on O'Brien and beat him on the night, plus contributed to three goals.

[SonofScray]

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Against Collingwood, Gilbee played as a defensive forward on O'Brien and beat him on the night, plus contributed to three goals.

He did have a couple of very good patches in that game, combined with the Richmond performance you can't say he is done and dusted. Form over the majority of this year and last year is no where near his best though. I can't see him being the weapon he once was.

[chef]

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4 poor performers were dropped. I cannot understand why everyone is so determined to drop the senior players.

I guess because they aren't influencing games as they should.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Against Collingwood, Gilbee played as a defensive forward on O'Brien and beat him on the night, plus contributed to three goals.

More than any other player he was responsible for the Dogs getting back on level terms.

Plus in the Sydney game he copped a heavy knock in the second quarter, that resulted in a MRP sanction on the Sydney player (although no free was paid, despite the Ump being right there)