Round #17 Match Committee

[1eyedog]

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Can't agree on the calls for Vez. He's currently both slow and with little endurance at the top level which would damage our developing press. Unfortunately the opposition would exploit this deficiency.

Well it's unlikely he's going to get any faster. Higgins and Gia are slugs but they have a decent skill set as well as smarts. Does Vez have smarts and what are his skills like?

[Doc26]

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Well it's unlikely he's going to get any faster. Higgins and Gia are slugs but they have a decent skill set as well as smarts. Does Vez have smarts and what are his skills like?

Gia may be slow but his endurance has stood up over the years and his ability to find space is exceptional. I'm not questioning Vez's skill level, to the contrary, I just fear adding Vez into the mix at this stage would change the balance of our forward line which looks better structured to play to the modern game.

I'm not at all writing Vez off, which is why I deliberately added the word 'currently', I just feel he's body is not ready. I heard interesting commentary on the weekend that did talk to players being able to build on their speed and endurance. There were many games in 2009 where I looked at Luke Ball and felt his body was a spent force and yet I look at him under a different regime and see a lot of good football left in him.

There may well be similarities with Vez to Shaun with both working through or managing groin related injuries. I'm hoping that with Vez. his endurance and speed can be improved given time and effective management of his body.

[BulldogBelle]

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Its important we get a couple of games into this likes of Vez, Reid, Minson, Addison, Libba and Hill at this stage of the season given our hopeful finals campaign...and they are used to playing at AFL intensity

The players from 22-26 will prove important come finals time especially if injuries / fatigue / suspensions etc hit our best 22...

[Mantis]

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Not too bad. I also think his tank isn't that bad either. My main issue with him is his lack of exceleration, which is vital in modern footy. I think it puts pressure on his tank/work rate/defensive pressure to be more than OK.

Heaven help this country of ours if they are letting our kids be educated by your good self.

I hope you aren't teaching English.

[1eyedog]

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Gia may be slow but his endurance has stood up over the years and his ability to find space is exceptional. I'm not questioning Vez's skill level, to the contrary, I just fear adding Vez into the mix at this stage would change the balance of our forward line which looks better structured to play to the modern game. I'm not at all writing Vez off, which is why I deliberately added the word 'currently', I just feel he's body is not ready. I heard interesting commentary on the weekend that did talk to players being able to build on their speed and endurance. There were many games in 2009 where I looked at Luke Ball and felt his body was a spent force and yet I look at him under a different regime and see a lot of good football left in him.

There may well be similarities with Vez to Shaun with both working through or managing groin related injuries. I'm hoping that with Vez. his endurance and speed can be improved given time and effective management of his body.

I agree with most of this although the bolded section of your post is disconcerting. I doubt whether he can add any significant pace to be honest but he can certainly work on his constitution as well as his strength. Which will also assist with his body standing up to the rigours of the modern game. His body seems a bit suspect to me. A few preseasons will assist with this. My problem is that if he is slow he will need to have some tricks, the ability to find space, turn players inside out, read the ball through the air better than his opponent etc and if he is to play forward he will need to be a competent finisher to have any chance of getting a regular run in the modern game.

[Mofra]

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I agree with most of this although the bolded section of your post is disconcerting. I doubt whether he can add any significant pace to be honest but he can certainly work on his constitution as well as his strength. Which will also assist with his body standing up to the rigours of the modern game. His body seems a bit suspect to me. A few preseasons will assist with this. My problem is that if he is slow he will need to have some tricks, the ability to find space, turn players inside out, read the ball through the air better than his opponent etc and if he is to play forward he will need to be a competent finisher to have any chance of getting a regular run in the modern game.

Sounds like he has the physical constraints of Gia - perhaps not quite as slow, but with much less endurance and versatility.

[Before I Die]

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I agree with most of this although the bolded section of your post is disconcerting. I doubt whether he can add any significant pace to be honest but he can certainly work on his constitution as well as his strength. Which will also assist with his body standing up to the rigours of the modern game. His body seems a bit suspect to me. A few preseasons will assist with this. My problem is that if he is slow he will need to have some tricks, the ability to find space, turn players inside out, read the ball through the air better than his opponent etc and if he is to play forward he will need to be a competent finisher to have any chance of getting a regular run in the modern game.

Hasn't he had 4 or 5 preseasons at Sydney?

[1eyedog]

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Hasn't he had 4 or 5 preseasons at Sydney?

Three and one of those was injury riddled. I am concerned that his body is not up to it more than anything which has been more of a hidrance than anything else and has limited his development in terms of what one might expect from a first round pick.

[LostDoggy]

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Just finished watching "what's your decision". If that idiot #15 umpire is on the ground again this week then North will be playing with 23. Cannot believe Gieschen is defending those aweful 50 meter decisions (except Tommy's). What a load of twat - too much game changing impact for sweet f-all by the player in each game. Starting to rank the yellow-jackets and the filth side-by-side......

[ledge]

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Just watched Rockets press conference. He said that they were considering subbing Hopper at 1/2 time, but he improved a lot in the 2nd half.

Wierd because at the end of game interview he said he was rapt with his pressure in the first half.

[LostDoggy]

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Wierd because at the end of game interview he said he was rapt with his pressure in the first half.

That may be true, but 0 possessions is probably a greater reason to want to sub someone. even if their pressure has been good

[Mantis]

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Wierd because at the end of game interview he said he was rapt with his pressure in the first half.

In his press conference he said he was disappointed with Hooper's first half, but said his pressure was better in the second half and he got a few touches.

[Bornadog]

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Hall left training early today and may be in doubt.