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  • Cyberdoggie
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 2859

    Liam Jones's Improvement

    Thought i'd start a discussion on our kp forward and his improvement in recent weeks.

    Jones is still pretty young and still quite raw as a player, his skills are sometimes average, especially his kicking ability and while he had shown glimpses of his potential and a willingness to work hard, he wasn't setting the world on fire.

    The last few weeks we have had some wins but i think we've also seen a big step forward in Liam Jones's progress. Earlier in the year he still didn't have clue when it came to pack marking. He had the leap but he wasn't positioning himself correctly, extending the arms out and he was wasn't positioning himself in the air where he would be balanced correctly. By that i mean that he was leaping and his upper body was still going forward with his momentum and the body contact in the pack. Opposition players were spoiling him easily because he doesn't extend his arms to mark the ball or he would go for the chest mark as a safety due to his lack of confidence in his hands.

    The last few weeks, and especially the game against Carlton we saw a very different Liam Jones. I don't think he dropped a single pack mark that he had a good go at.
    What i noticed was that he wasn't charging at the contest at full speed and therefore losing his balance in the air. Liam also positioned his run often from the side in order to get the best position, something he hadn't really done before. As a result he was very upright in the air and he was very strong with his hands.

    Perhaps Chris Grant's assistance is paying off with some of our key talls.

    I think this is a huge step forward for Liam, and i hope continues to improve and hopefully learns how to kick next.
  • 1eyedog
    Hall of Fame
    • Mar 2008
    • 13188

    #2
    Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

    I think it's more a product of the team's efficiency going forward and the increase in opportunities for Jones with a greater number of inside 50s. We were deplorable going forward up until a month ago what could we expect from a young tall forward who had the opposition's best backman due to the absence of Barry Hall? So Barry back the last few weeks helps as well.

    However, I did think he showed glimpses during the Collingwood game.
    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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    • westdog54
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 6686

      #3
      Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

      He's left Jarrad Grant well and truly in his wake in terms of the tall forward pecking order. His work rate has improved exponentially and the confidence he has in his marking is fantastic to see. He's also taken the second ruck role in his stride and has played his role for the team. Aside from improving his kicking I don't think I could have asked much more of him this year.

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      • LongWait
        Draftee
        • Sep 2009
        • 938

        #4
        Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

        Kudos to the MC for continuing to play Liam in the seniors. His development would have been hindered had they listened to the call of some to send him back to Willi.

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        • always right
          WOOF Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 4189

          #5
          Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

          Originally posted by westdog54
          He's left Jarrad Grant well and truly in his wake in terms of the tall forward pecking order. His work rate has improved exponentially and the confidence he has in his marking is fantastic to see. He's also taken the second ruck role in his stride and has played his role for the team. Aside from improving his kicking I don't think I could have asked much more of him this year.
          He looks better and better as each week passes. As for the comment about Grant, has anyone seriously suggested he has the build to be our major tall forward? He's a third tall with an edge in pace and should be developed as such.
          I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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          • Rocco Jones
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jun 2008
            • 6924

            #6
            Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

            Jones is 9th overall in total contested marks this season. He has taken 22 contested marks and is 1 off 5th, 2 off 4th and 3 off 3rd.

            I like the 2nd ruck duties for his confidence. He is still raw and can go missing for long periods of time as a KPF. His stints in the ruck are short enough for his forward role to be his main priority but also often enough to get him near the action.

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              #7
              Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

              I'll admit that I misjudged Jones.
              For a while I'd read people's posts on here praising Jones as the future, and I did not see it at all.
              But after the last few rounds I'm starting to get it. Or atleast get what he could be. He's starting to look really really good over head which will be very handy in the coming years. He has a lot of potential and as soon as his strength and kicking comes online he'll be dangerous.
              Who says someone can't be won over???

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              • Desipura
                WOOF Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 4344

                #8
                Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

                The more games he plays in the seniors the better he will become. He will get better delivery playing in the seniors than he would at Williamstown.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 66138

                  #9
                  Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

                  With Hall in, this has taken the pressure off him. He can only improve as he gets more and more experience. Playing in the ruck has also given him another string in his bow.
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                  • Sockeye Salmon
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 6365

                    #10
                    Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

                    Originally posted by bornadog
                    With Hall in, this has taken the pressure off him. He can only improve as he gets more and more experience. Playing in the ruck has also given him another string in his bow.
                    No. No. No.

                    Having Hall in the side means all our attacks are directed to Hall and Jones gets ignored.

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                    • Pedro Sanchez
                      Rookie List
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 361

                      #11
                      Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

                      I see Jones as a conventional key position player. Whereas Grant is more of a flukey, floating flanker that can do the unexpected. If they both continue to improve and Grant shakes his sluggish season to date, they could create a well balanced attack in future.

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                      • Rocco Jones
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 6924

                        #12
                        Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        With Hall in, this has taken the pressure off him. He can only improve as he gets more and more experience. Playing in the ruck has also given him another string in his bow.
                        Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                        No. No. No.

                        Having Hall in the side means all our attacks are directed to Hall and Jones gets ignored.
                        I'm with bornadog.

                        I think you are underselling how we are using Hall at the moment SS. Sure we used to go to him time and time again but I really think that has changed recently. Against Melbourne Hall played as decoy for most of the game trying to get Frawley out of the action.

                        I really believe people go over the top with the senior guys holding younger guys back, Sockeye I am sure you agree with that! As long as we don't go back to being completely obsessed with Hall (which isn't good for our team anyway) then I really think he will be good for Jones.

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66138

                          #13
                          Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

                          Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                          No. No. No.

                          Having Hall in the side means all our attacks are directed to Hall and Jones gets ignored.
                          Which is a good thing as Jones was getting killed in the number one KPF role.
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                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • Sockeye Salmon
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6365

                            #14
                            Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

                            Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                            I'm with bornadog.

                            I think you are underselling how we are using Hall at the moment SS. Sure we used to go to him time and time again but I really think that has changed recently. Against Melbourne Hall played as decoy for most of the game trying to get Frawley out of the action.

                            I really believe people go over the top with the senior guys holding younger guys back, Sockeye I am sure you agree with that! As long as we don't go back to being completely obsessed with Hall (which isn't good for our team anyway) then I really think he will be good for Jones.
                            Ha ha.

                            Sorry Jason, I was having a laugh at those who claimed earlier in the season that Jones wasn't getting a kick because Hall was in the team.

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                            • Rocco Jones
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 6924

                              #15
                              Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

                              Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon
                              Ha ha.

                              Sorry Jason, I was having a laugh at those who claimed earlier in the season that Jones wasn't getting a kick because Hall was in the team.
                              Haha, sorry mate, I really found it odd coming from you now I get why.

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