Liam Jones's Improvement

[Mofra]

Re: Liam Jones's Improvement

Back to Liam jones, watching the replay I was very impressed not just by his marking, which is a strength of his, but did anyone notice the quick hands. I think 3 times lovely handballs from him were part of a chain that led to goals, including the great passage which led to Cooney's gem.

There was one over the top lookaway handball which was sublime, led to a Bulldogs goal.

[1eyedog]

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The 'great man' himself (Chris Grant) has compared Jones to an Earl Spalding type. Not to ever disagree with the great one, but wasn't Spalding a workhorse toiler type? There is something more naturally gifted about Liam, I think. As for marking, he doesn't perhaps do brute attacks on the footy a la Brown or Carey but has lovely touch and feel for the footy. Martin Flanagan once described Chris Grant beautifully as 'the boy with the solemn hands.' Liam has a bit of that about him too. Will enjoy watching his progress.

Spalding was a bit of a clanker but he was a very clever player. An atrocious kick of course but he had wonderful vision. I think Jones will be a better pack mark, although Spalding was no slouch here either but I can see the similarlities with Spalding when Jones dishes out neat little handballs at full tilt or ones back over his head.

[Ghost Dog]

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Just listening to the replay of the NAB rising star.
Liam was ranked 6th in the entire league in contested marks. Well done lad

[azabob]

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Just listening to the replay of the NAB rising star.
Liam was ranked 6th in the entire league in contested marks. Well done lad

If you look further into the stats I think you will find he wasn't that far off those who finished ahead of him and he also missed two games.

[G-Mo77]

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Just listening to the replay of the NAB rising star.
Liam was ranked 6th in the entire league in contested marks. Well done lad

Which is a stat that is massive in this league, at his age that's a very good accomplishment. Funnily enough a stat that went unnoticed for those asking for him to be sent back to the VFL.

Something else that goes unnoticed is the way he is able to bring the ball to the ground. He has the ability amongst 2 or more defenders to bring the ball to the foot of the pack. It's a pity we didn't have a decent player at his feet for most of the season. Dahl will help in that area more next year.

I worry a little about how he'll go next year. There will be a lot more heat on him with Hall out of the team and will probably get that #1 defender most weeks.

[Ghost Dog]

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Which is a stat that is massive in this league, at his age that's a very good accomplishment. Funnily enough a stat that went unnoticed for those asking for him to be sent back to the VFL.

Something else that goes unnoticed is the way he is able to bring the ball to the ground. He has the ability amongst 2 or more defenders to bring the ball to the foot of the pack. It's a pity we didn't have a decent player at his feet for most of the season. Dahl will help in that area more next year.

I worry a little about how he'll go next year. There will be a lot more heat on him with Hall out of the team and will probably get that #1 defender most weeks.

He's going to cause all kinds of headaches for defenders. when you see interviews with him, looks really determined and mature for a guy his age. Full of hope for this kid.

[Topdog]

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Which is a stat that is massive in this league, at his age that's a very good accomplishment. Funnily enough a stat that went unnoticed for those asking for him to be sent back to the VFL.

I asked for him to be sent back to the VFL, was well aware of the stats but felt he could gain more confidence but going back and dominating for 1 or 2 weeks. Certainly don't feel embarrassed by my suggestion.

Also on contested marks pretty sure it was Cloke by a country mile and then a pack of 6 or 7 which Jones was a part of. Fantastic effort by the lad.

[Bornadog]

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I asked for him to be sent back to the VFL, was well aware of the stats but felt he could gain more confidence but going back and dominating for 1 or 2 weeks. Certainly don't feel embarrassed by my suggestion.

Also on contested marks pretty sure it was Cloke by a country mile and then a pack of 6 or 7 which Jones was a part of. Fantastic effort by the lad.

Thats right, Cloke had nearly 60 in the home and away, then the rest were all below 40, with Liam at 34.

[Mantis]

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Thats right, Cloke had nearly 60 in the home and away, then the rest were all below 40, with Liam at 34.

I thought it was much higher than that... pushing up towards 100?

I can remember hearing that he was a very good chance to break the all time record which is somewhere up near 90??

[Mofra]

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Thats right, Cloke had nearly 60 in the home and away, then the rest were all below 40, with Liam at 34.

Taking into account how much workrate is involved in just presenting repeatedly before you even consider the ability required to take that many contested marks whilst exhausted, that trully is phenominal.
I still have a sense of awe in what some players are able to do.

[Bornadog]

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I thought it was much higher than that... pushing up towards 100?

I can remember hearing that he was a very good chance to break the all time record which is somewhere up near 90??

Total marks are well over 100 but not contested, in fact 173 marks which is huge.

[Mantis]

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Total marks are well over 100 but not contested, in fact 173 marks which is huge.

173 isn't huge, Loewe used to take well over 200 a season back in the day...however Cloke's contested mark figure for 2011 is much higher than the number you produced.

[Bornadog]

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...however Cloke's contested mark figure for 2011 is much higher than the number you produced.

not according to prostats.com.au

[Mantis]

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not according to prostats.com.au

Here is a list I found which I believe is correct:

Contested Marks

Travis Cloke 85
James Podsiadly 50
Drew Petrie 49
Ben Mcevoy 46
Nathan Fyfe 43

The previous record I was talking about was Richo who had the previous mark of 75 which was comfortably beaten by Cloke.

[Bornadog]

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Here is a list I found which I believe is correct:

Contested Marks

Travis Cloke 85
James Podsiadly 50
Drew Petrie 49
Ben Mcevoy 46
Nathan Fyfe 43

The previous record I was talking about was Richo who had the previous mark of 75 which was comfortably beaten by Cloke.

Prostats must be wrong then. Where is Liam on your list.