Callan Ward - Staying or going?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Most of the year? He's had about 6 good games -- let's not overrate our own. GWS are offering way over the odds, will be doing us a favour if we end up with Band 1 compensation.

ps. GVG, I don't think people are necessarily just pissed off with him leaving, it's how he's been stringing the team and the supporters along, essentially treating us as mugs. I don't see why we should be respecting someone who has zero respect for us as paying members. Do the honorable thing and come out like Bock and Phil Davis did -- we are WAY too soft on dickhead behaviour (and Ward may not be a dickhead generally, but lying for 12 months is dickhead behaviour.. no way around it).

I think it's ridiculous to give him games at the expense of the development of those who are staying.

Exactly this.

[LostDoggy]

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Most of the year? He's had about 6 good games -- let's not overrate our own. GWS are offering way over the odds, will be doing us a favour if we end up with Band 1 compensation.

ps. GVG, I don't think people are necessarily just pissed off with him leaving, it's how he's been stringing the team and the supporters along, essentially treating us as mugs. I don't see why we should be respecting someone who has zero respect for us as paying members. Do the honorable thing and come out like Bock and Phil Davis did -- we are WAY too soft on dickhead behaviour (and Ward may not be a dickhead generally, but lying for 12 months is dickhead behaviour.. no way around it).

I think it's ridiculous to give him games at the expense of the development of those who are staying.

Agree with the odds and the band one. Helps us enourmously in the rebuild and I'd personally beg Ward to go if we could bank on it. Not, however, convinced the guy has been stringing anyone along. I felt fouled by Harbrows departure as he clearly knew early he'd be off. I'm pretty convinced that Ward has only decided now the club has put everything on the table and it seems like he had a far harder decision. Gone now so lets play Wallis but it's hard to hate the guy for wrestling over a pretty huge decision. I don't know this, it's speculation based on what has played out, but that's how it seems to me.

[Missing-Dog]

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Question to everyone who seems to be okay with Ward leaving.

How is Ward's decision any different to Nathan Brown's?

Both are leaving (or left) the club for more money and possibly better prospects at a stage where we need(ed) them quite badly. In fact Ward is being offered much more to stay than Nathan was and Brown was not a local boy.

[GVGjr]

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Most of the year? He's had about 6 good games -- let's not overrate our own. GWS are offering way over the odds, will be doing us a favour if we end up with Band 1 compensation.

ps. GVG, I don't think people are necessarily just pissed off with him leaving, it's how he's been stringing the team and the supporters along, essentially treating us as mugs. I don't see why we should be respecting someone who has zero respect for us as paying members. Do the honorable thing and come out like Bock and Phil Davis did -- we are WAY too soft on dickhead behaviour (and Ward may not be a dickhead generally, but lying for 12 months is dickhead behaviour.. no way around it).

I think it's ridiculous to give him games at the expense of the development of those who are staying.

I think that is the easy option a number of people are taking. Last year there was very few calls for Harbrow to be dropped because we were in the finals and now because we aren't all of a sudden the frustrations are directed towards Ward.
He is taking us for mugs? give me a break. I read it that he's struggling with the decision.
And as for the fact that one more game is at the expense of the development of others well you can hold on to that view if that is the way you see it but the majority of people wanting the club to make an example of Ward (because it's supposedly now holding back others) never piped up when year after year we hung on to the likes of Hahn, Eagleton and Akermanis when they were passed there use-by date.

In a couple of days time we will know his decision and if it's to leave then I'll support the playing groups view on if he gets another game or not. He does need to make his decision though and can't defer it any longer.

[GVGjr]

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Question to everyone who seems to be okay with Ward leaving.

How is Ward's decision any different to Nathan Brown's?

Both are leaving (or left) the club for more money and possibly better prospects at a stage where we need(ed) them quite badly. In fact Ward is being offered much more to stay than Nathan was and Brown was not a local boy.

I'm not OK with Ward leaving but from my perspective Brown repeatedly linked his decision to if Darcy was staying and when Darcy and the Dogs came to terms, Brown effectively chose Wallace over his team mates. His position when the media all season was about if Darcy was staying but in reality he had already made up his mind.

Players like Ward and Harbrow have to view these offers by the start up clubs are once in a lifetime opportunities to set them up financially. It hurts if you lose them but some think the decisions are just black or white and I'm sure in this instance it isn't.

[Ghost Dog]

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I'm not OK with Ward leaving but from my perspective Brown repeatedly linked his decision to if Darcy was staying and when Darcy and the Dogs came to terms, Brown effectively chose Wallace over his team mates. His position when the media all season was about if Darcy was staying but in reality he had already made up his mind.

Players like Ward and Harbrow have to view these offers by the start up clubs are once in a lifetime opportunities to set them up financially. It hurts if you lose them but some think the decisions are just black or white and I'm sure in this instance it isn't.

Sorry, I'm not really up with this historical tit bit. Luke Darcy? What was Nathan Brown's problem with Luke Darcy. Can PM if its a bit off topic. Spent much of that period overseas.

[GVGjr]

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Sorry, I'm not really up with this historical tit bit. Luke Darcy? What was Nathan Brown's problem with Luke Darcy. Can PM if its a bit off topic. Spent much of that period overseas.

Both guys were coming out of contract and Brown indicated that if Darcy was staying he would as well. Darcy stayed and Brown left us.

[Mofra]

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ps. GVG, I don't think people are necessarily just pissed off with him leaving, it's how he's been stringing the team and the supporters along, essentially treating us as mugs. I don't see why we should be respecting someone who has zero respect for us as paying members.

Given he hadn't made up his mind yet as of the start of this week as far as his parents were concerned means this is just sort of comment plain unfair on Callan.

It's a massive decision and given his family are split on what he should do it's far too early to start slagging the kid off over a decision most kids in their early 20s don't have to make.

[Ghost Dog]

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I don't begrudge him going. But if he does make a decision, I don't think we should play him.

[1eyedog]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Must have made up his mind by now, why doesn't he just come clean like a man and spit it all out rather than hide under the pretence in order to make it easier for him. Really, its been all about Ward, so mate, stop being selfish and let the club know you are going, no one will begrudge you.

We should play Wallis instead.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Must have made up his mind by now, why doesn't he just come clean like a man and spit it all out rather than hide under the pretence in order to make it easier for him. Really, its been all about Ward, so mate, stop being selfish and let the club know you are going, no one will begrudge you.

We should play Wallis instead.

I understand your frustration and have said the same thing but just a couple of points...

- I know it's a bit selfish but perhaps he is say 95% rather than 100% sure and just wants to give himself as much time as possible

- The AFL. As annoying as it is, Demetriou and co are doing their uber stubborn thing and are putting pressure on all linked with GWS (as with GC) to not give info on who has signed as they only do it during the magical window period. Ward is probably getting a heap of pressure on him to remain quiet from AFL house.

[Bornadog]

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Both guys were coming out of contract and Brown indicated that if Darcy was staying he would as well. Darcy stayed and Brown left us.

Brown was just after the cash. Rose came to the club and asked all players to take a pay cut and Brown wouldn't. To Brown this was the last straw as he had already been wooed by Richmond The Richmond President took Brown for a helicopter ride over properties on the Peninsula and pointed out the land Brown would get if he went to Richmond as he could help him develop it and sell for a nice profit. This was after Brown and Richmond' s Campbell were given a pub together as joint owners in July.

I agree with you the Harbrow and Ward situation is different due to the start up clubs offering big dollars.

[Ghost Dog]

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Brown was just after the cash. Rose came to the club and asked all players to take a pay cut and Brown wouldn't. To Brown this was the last straw as he had already been wooed by Richmond The Richmond President took Brown for a helicopter ride over properties on the Peninsula and pointed out the land Brown would get if he went to Richmond as he could help him develop it and sell for a nice profit. This was after Brown and Richmond' s Campbell were given a pub together as joint owners in July.

I agree with you the Harbrow and Ward situation is different due to the start up clubs offering big dollars.

Where did you find this stuff out?
Interesting.

[Twodogs]

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Where did you find this stuff out?
Interesting.

It's fairly common knowldge. BTW it was the Gold Coast not the Peninsula.

[Twodogs]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

100%Gone. A relative knows his best buddy. Do the right think and not play him next week!

He must have a lot of best buddies or that buddy has fairly loose lips. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard this from people who know his buddies/family etc. I stopped listening to what Snowy on the tram said when I was a kid.