Callan Ward - Staying or going?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

The following is based on a number of assumptions.

1. That if Ward went, we would receive a Band 2 compensation pick.
2. If compensation pick is traded and the receiving club uses them after this year, they can be based on the receiving team's finishing position that year.
3. Compensation is known before the GWS 17yo's are 'auctioned off'

If all three occur, which I believe is a distinct possibility, then it might be possible to offer GWS our Band 2 pick for someone like O'Meara. Whilst it's likely to only be a pick #15-#20 for us, for GWS, if they finish last in 2012 (likely) it could be as high as pick #2 for them.

GWS don't want picks in this year's draft according to Adelaide (http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsartic...0/default.aspx) and the possibility of such a high pick in a strong draft could really appeal to them.

For us it would mean losing Ward and gaining O'Meara (although he couldn't play until 2013). Not sure how likely this is but have given it some thought and can't find anything obvious that would stop it happening.

Thoughts?

I like the thought process and an outside mid of O'meara's apparent talent would be as close to fair compensation as we are likely to get. This bit from todays news looks pretty useful however....

"...League football operations manager Adrian Anderson told the newspaper that the Bulldogs could also receive two first-round draft picks as compensation for Ward if his contract offer was similar to Scully's...."

The reality is, however, Ward is close to an ideal dog. There's nothing fancy about him if you discount those ridiculous flowing locks. He's just a hard, tough as nails bggr, who charges in and smashes the ball where he wants it. I hate any trade that see's ward leave us. Pretty hard to replace a true son of the west.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Two sides to the coin:
1. Typical push-over tactics of the AFL and their lovechild to make it OK to throw bucket loads of money to players. The only weapons against this are the decisions that are made by the players themselves to not accept these offers made to them.
This is why the changes in salary rules of FIFA and domestic leagues over the years in soccer have made players one of the most disloyal, greedy and glory chasing bunch of them all. We can only hope Ward asks himself serious questions on where his loyalties are and whether it is ultimately worth it for him to go up there in the long term.
The question we ask ourselves is: are Ward and Scully worth that amount of money? ABSOLUTELY NOT. They are both young, still need more experience, are quite frankly not champions (but will be), and I believe are nowhere near as good as a mature player who, if they do go to GWS, earns much less than what they will.

2. Let's imagine we are all employees of a corporation that pays well, you have a chance to move up the corporate ladder over time and you are happy with what you have. Now let's throw another ingredient into the mix: an offer from another employer who will offer you twice the money and you are offered a higher position (which cuts off years of working up the ladder). You are independent, want to live comfortably and want to succeed in life. What would you do?

I'm a fiercely loyal kinda guy: I'd stay right where I was, if I was happy in that job. I can't go into details, but I did exactly that just recently and stuck by my boss, who pays me pretty average but has looked out for me in every other way possible for close to 5 years.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

I'm a fiercely loyal kinda guy: I'd stay right where I was, if I was happy in that job. I can't go into details, but I did exactly that just recently and stuck by my boss, who pays me pretty average but has looked out for me in every other way possible for close to 5 years.

With the casualisation of the work force you can pick up work now on bigger rates.
Those blokes doing road works are on very good hourly rates in particular the night workers.
Not everyone is totally besotted by money

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

It appears that we are on the front foot to try to retain Cal.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/dogs-renew-bid-to-keep-ward-out-of-gws/story-e6frg7mf-1226095579533

[LostDoggy]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

New plan.

The AFL will probably institute a new law stating anyone with the name Ward or Scully can only play for GWS (they have pretty much done that already).

Cal goes and we get two first round picks "..to be taken directly after our first pick..."

We stick two long fingers in the air and openly and deliberately tank every single game next year to finish last.

We take picks 1, 2 and 3 in the 2012 Superdraft to add to the up and coming "Wallis and Libba Show" and in three years we win 4 flags in a row and stick each of them up the AFL's MASSIVELY FAT @RSE.

It's a sweet dream - particularly the insertions......

[LostDoggy]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

It's not a letting Carlton do it over the Bulldogs thing, it's a 3rd party contracts are too hard thing. If we could afford to do the same, the AFL would treat us the same because it's too hard for them.

Unfortunately we dont play in a competition where the playing field is even.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

New plan.

The AFL will probably institute a new law stating anyone with the name Ward or Scully can only play for GWS (they have pretty much done that already).

Cal goes and we get two first round picks "..to be taken directly after our first pick..."

We stick two long fingers in the air and openly and deliberately tank every single game next year to finish last.

We take picks 1, 2 and 3 in the 2012 Superdraft to add to the up and coming "Wallis and Libba Show" and in three years we win 4 flags in a row and stick each of them up the AFL's MASSIVELY FAT @RSE.

It's a sweet dream - particularly the insertions......

Deal. (If we lose Ward)

[1eyedog]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Has he made a decision? Was there not a timeline on his reply to GWS? The longer I hear nothing the more concerned I become.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Has he made a decision? Was there not a timeline on his reply to GWS? The longer I hear nothing the more concerned I become.

There was something in today's paper about that timeline having passed, I don't think it was an ultimatum or anything.

[1eyedog]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

There was something in today's paper about that timeline having passed, I don't think it was an ultimatum or anything.

Okay. I would love to see a statement where he comes out and states he's staying the anticipation is killing me. I'm getting a deja vu feeling as per last year.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

Okay. I would love to see a statement where he comes out and states he's staying.

Same.

[ratsmac]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

I think he's gone. Sad but do you blame him for that cash. The AFL are currupt!

[The Adelaide Connection]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

I hope our recent good form and the Newfound enthusiasm about/around te club has been enough to keep him here. If he had to make the decision five weeks ago you'd think he would have definitely left, but if he had to make the call this week? You never know.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

I'm a fiercely loyal kinda guy: I'd stay right where I was, if I was happy in that job. I can't go into details, but I did exactly that just recently and stuck by my boss, who pays me pretty average but has looked out for me in every other way possible for close to 5 years.

Mate if only the majority of the world was like you - my sentiments are exactly like yours and if I was offered a spot on the Dogs I would never leave either. On that note, stay Callan Ward!

[Bornadog]

Re: Callan Ward - Staying or going?

I'm a fiercely loyal kinda guy: I'd stay right where I was, if I was happy in that job. I can't go into details, but I did exactly that just recently and stuck by my boss, who pays me pretty average but has looked out for me in every other way possible for close to 5 years.

Its not just about money, you have to enjoy what you are doing, you have to enjoy the environment you work in, including who you work with, who you report to and the facilitied available. I have been in jobs where I was highly paid for doing not much but just didn't enjoy going to work.

Hopefully Callan will weight up everything,not just the money.