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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #61
    Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

    Originally posted by SlimPickens
    Think smorgan has stated many times with Dimma, "put up or shut up". Really disappointed if Dimma is in a sense holding the club at ransom.

    Be part of the solution Dimma, taking pot shots at the clubs board is not the answer. That's more of Aker go!
    I'am also disappointed in Dimma, as Smorgan has said before, put up or shut up !
    Correct me if I'am wrong, didn't Dimma earlier in the season say he also had a coach in mind.
    Now he is having a go at Smorgan for sacking Rocket !
    These calls to get rid of Smorgan are pointless unless there is someone out there who is BETTER !
    Which by he way is the same view I had about replacing Rocket.

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    • ledge
      Hall of Fame
      • Dec 2007
      • 14309

      #62
      Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

      One thing I dont agree with what the prez said is we dont have anyone in mind yet.
      You wouldnt sack someone unless you knew you had better.
      Bring back the biff

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      • Dry Rot
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 6444

        #63
        Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

        What are the reasonable criteria for a club president?
        The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.

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        • chef
          Hall of Fame
          • Nov 2008
          • 14618

          #64
          Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

          Originally posted by OldBulldog
          I'am also disappointed in Dimma, as Smorgan has said before, put up or shut up !Correct me if I'am wrong, didn't Dimma earlier in the season say he also had a coach in mind.
          Now he is having a go at Smorgan for sacking Rocket !
          These calls to get rid of Smorgan are pointless unless there is someone out there who is BETTER !
          Which by he way is the same view I had about replacing Rocket.
          Maybe Dimma is waiting for Smorgons term to finish before he 'puts up'. That would be the respectful thing to do.
          The curse is dead.

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          • chef
            Hall of Fame
            • Nov 2008
            • 14618

            #65
            Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

            Originally posted by ledge
            One thing I dont agree with what the prez said is we dont have anyone in mind yet.
            You wouldnt sack someone unless you knew you had better.
            I am sure they would have a few in mind, but aren't willing to put the cards on the table yet as they would be involved with other clubs who will be playing finals.
            The curse is dead.

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            • Nuggety Back Pocket
              WOOF Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 2064

              #66
              Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              They requested a quick decision not demanded it and the committee accommodated it.
              However, if the request would compromise the review the committee had an obligation to stick to their original plans for the review.

              They have, as they suggested, made the decision without linking it to the more comprehensive review and I'd be interested in why they ultimately wanted to go in a 'fresh direction'.

              Time will tell if they have got it right but I don't believe we had the right people in the drivers seat.
              I agree with your sentiments. The position of a Director of Football on the Board which is now about to be made would have helped. We have been left with a Board without any football background. This new appointment will be critical in the search for the best available coach.

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #67
                Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                Originally posted by GVGjr
                They requested a quick decision not demanded it and the committee accommodated it.
                However, if the request would compromise the review the committee had an obligation to stick to their original plans for the review.

                They have, as they suggested, made the decision without linking it to the more comprehensive review and I'd be interested in why they ultimately wanted to go in a 'fresh direction'.

                Time will tell if they have got it right but I don't believe we had the right people in the drivers seat.
                Originally posted by Sedat
                Do you know this for fact? Requesting something and demanding something are two completely different things. All season our CEO has stated that the process won't formally start until the completion of the season, with a full review to then be conducted. Now we have a situation whereby our senior coach is gone before this thorough review has even commenced. How thorough can it possibly be when the senior coach for the season is not even a part of it?

                I would have expected Garlick to tell Mullins to cool his heels for another 3 weeks, seeing as they were the precise parameters set out by our CEO in the first place. If then the request was demanded then the onus would have been on Rocket and his management to initiate something else.
                Originally posted by GVGjr
                I think you are missing the point I'm trying to make.
                The committee wanted to perform a more comprehensive review and the logical process is to assess the list, work out what was needed in the footy department going forward and then to determine if Eade was the right person. How did they get to number 3 when they have confirmed they haven't reviewed the other area's?
                Assuming that Rocket (or his manager) did indeed press the club for a decision, what interests me the most is that they made it at his request. Let's say they sat around the boardroom table, and discussed Rocket's future. If he's on the outer in their minds, why accommodate his request? I mean, who cares if he goes and signs with Adelaide if the general feeling is that we need change anyway? Unless they wanted to keep him, there's no reasonable explanation for bringing it forward.

                Disregarding whether the decision to sack him was the right call or not, I believe they definitely made the wrong call in bringing that “review” forward. They succumbed to media and supporter pressure, perceived or otherwise, pure and simple.

                Not a great look for the leadership of the club with “Yield To None” as our motto.

                Originally posted by chef
                I am sure they would have a few in mind, but aren't willing to put the cards on the table yet as they would be involved with other clubs who will be playing finals.
                Agree. I reckon we'll know in early October.

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                • Topdog
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 7471

                  #68
                  Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                  Originally posted by chef
                  Maybe Dimma is waiting for Smorgons term to finish before he 'puts up'. That would be the respectful thing to do.
                  No this is not the respectful way. Smorgo has said numerous times that if someone puts up money to help the club he will gladly walk away. Helping the club immediately is respectful. Not attaching conditions to money is respectful. The campaign by Dimma has been anything but.

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                  • Greystache
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9775

                    #69
                    Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                    Originally posted by Topdog
                    No this is not the respectful way. Smorgo has said numerous times that if someone puts up money to help the club he will gladly walk away. Helping the club immediately is respectful. Not attaching conditions to money is respectful. The campaign by Dimma has been anything but.
                    Agreed.

                    The only thing Dimattina has achieved so far is huge amounts of free publicity for himself. Put up or piss off Dima.
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                    • Ghost Dog
                      WOOF Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 9404

                      #70
                      Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                      Originally posted by Topdog
                      No this is not the respectful way. Smorgo has said numerous times that if someone puts up money to help the club he will gladly walk away. Helping the club immediately is respectful. Not attaching conditions to money is respectful. The campaign by Dimma has been anything but.
                      Well, the thing is, it's not even a campaign. He keeps claiming no interest in being top dog ( the OTHER 'top dog' TOPDOG ^_^ )
                      Gets extra media mileage through pure speculation. Smorgo's bluster does irk me some times, and I'm not happy about dropping the rocket without so much as a farewell. However, Smorgo is a champion of the club and demands a bit more respect from Dimma perhaps.
                      You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                      • azabob
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15307

                        #71
                        Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                        [QUOTE=BornAScragger;235192


                        Agree. I reckon we'll know in early October.[/QUOTE]

                        Disagree, interviewing for the job should happen as a matter of urgency. We cannot allow other clubs to get a leg up on us.
                        More of an In Bruges guy?

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                        • FrediKanoute
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 3826

                          #72
                          Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                          Originally posted by LongWait
                          Eade's management demanded that the club either back or sack Eade immediately. What was the club supposed to do - cave in and abandon the review process because Eade's manager held a gun to their heads?
                          Isn't that what they did? Rather than say to Eade that they woudl review all at the end of the season, they said sorry can't back you we wont renew the contract. They pannicked. Rather than stay the course, complete the review, determine where the problem really was they shot the messenger and then tried to dress it up as due process.

                          Put simply its a farce. If they had stayed the course the ball woudl have been back in Eade's court. He could have jumped ship and chased job security else where or he could have helpd out for the results of the review. Either way the key decision makers in the club wouldn't have looked like a complete buch of amatuers.

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                          • LongWait
                            WOOF Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 936

                            #73
                            Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                            Originally posted by FrediKanoute
                            Isn't that what they did? Rather than say to Eade that they woudl review all at the end of the season, they said sorry can't back you we wont renew the contract. They pannicked. Rather than stay the course, complete the review, determine where the problem really was they shot the messenger and then tried to dress it up as due process.

                            Put simply its a farce. If they had stayed the course the ball woudl have been back in Eade's court. He could have jumped ship and chased job security else where or he could have helpd out for the results of the review. Either way the key decision makers in the club wouldn't have looked like a complete buch of amatuers.
                            I couldn't disagree more strongly - Eade blew it by trying to rush the process and the only chance he had of being reappointed went out the door.

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                            • Maddog37
                              WOOF Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3132

                              #74
                              Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                              Originally posted by FrediKanoute
                              Isn't that what they did? Rather than say to Eade that they woudl review all at the end of the season, they said sorry can't back you we wont renew the contract. They pannicked. Rather than stay the course, complete the review, determine where the problem really was they shot the messenger and then tried to dress it up as due process.

                              Put simply its a farce. If they had stayed the course the ball woudl have been back in Eade's court. He could have jumped ship and chased job security else where or he could have helpd out for the results of the review. Either way the key decision makers in the club wouldn't have looked like a complete buch of amatuers.
                              Is that you Dimma?

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                              • 1eyedog
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 13235

                                #75
                                Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

                                Originally posted by LongWait
                                I know you love Rocket BAD, as many on here do, but calling for Smorgon's head is an emotional rather than rational response imho. Rockets' time was up and the decision not to renew his contract was reasonable.
                                Sorry, I fail to see the difference between the two in your arguement.
                                But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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