Is it time for Smorgon to step down

[anfo27]

Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

I know Smorgan has made an unpopular decision but I think we are oing a bit overboard here. I like to see Smorgan stay but I have little knowledge on the quality of Davids work around the club.

Everyone loves Eade and thats fine but why shouldn't he be made accountable for what this club has produced? everyone points to injuries and i've heard that word used so many times but surely we are all naive if we think that is the only reason we are where we are.

[Maddog37]

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I think that until a viable and forthright alternative is available, any talk of booting Smorgan is worthless.

Changing coach and president at the same time might destabilize the club IMO. I would prefer to see who is appointed and if they turn out poorly over the next two years then bye bye Smorgo.

[Bornadog]

Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

I think that until a viable and forthright alternative is available, any talk of booting Smorgan is worthless.

Changing coach and president at the same time might destabilize the club IMO. I would prefer to see who is appointed and if they turn out poorly over the next two years then bye bye Smorgo.

I know for a fact that Smorgon would be happy for someone to take over if it was the right person.

[ReLoad]

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This is just crazy talk, seriously, lets not eat our own.

Smorgo has been the core of this club for a very long time, He has the best interests of our club at heart, he bleeds the same coloured blood as all of us.

To think that he has made a poor decision is ill informed and not taking into consideration all of the facts. Rocket presented to Smorgo and all the other O's over the last couple of weeks, What if it was a delirious presentation? I'm not saying it was but do we have the all the facts? No.

Wanting to oust one of our clubs true champions, ill ill timed and ill advised.

Lock this thread before some schnapperhead in the media thinks there is groundswell support for this kind of nonsense.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

I know Smorgan has made an unpopular decision but I think we are oing a bit overboard here. I like to see Smorgan stay but I have little knowledge on the quality of Davids work around the club.

Everyone loves Eade and thats fine but why shouldn't he be made accountable for what this club has produced? everyone points to injuries and i've heard that word used so many times but surely we are all naive if we think that is the only reason we are where we are.

Absolutely true , if he's the problem.
But I have concerns when the panel commissioned to evaluate his performance and possible contract extension/termination includes someone who should also be evaluated as to their part in bringing about our current on field problems. James Fantasia should not have been part of that process, he should have been along with Rocket part of their process as to what's going on with our performance.

[Dry Rot]

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Absolutely true , if he's the problem.
But I have concerns when the panel commissioned to evaluate his performance and possible contract extension/termination includes someone who should also be evaluated as to their part in bringing about our current on field problems. James Fantasia should not have been part of that process, he should have been along with Rocket part of their process as to what's going on with our performance.

Agree with this. Glad that Rocket is going, but Fantasia should be too.

[Mantis]

Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

Agree with this. Glad that Rocket is going, but Fantasia should be too.

Smorgon said that Fantasia will be part of the selection process for the hiring of the new coach so this doesn't seem likley.

[Bornadog]

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Smorgon said that Fantasia will be part of the selection process for the hiring of the new coach so this doesn't seem likley.

He also said on SEN that the football department will be reviewed at the end of the year.

[GVGjr]

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The Catalyst is this years performance, and the frustration of not getting into a Grand Final since 1961. Sometimes you have to work from the top down and maybe its time.

Do you agree with my assessment? I have never been happy with some of the things I mentioned in my op, especially the deals at Eithad. You know in 2008 and 2009 we had the best average crowds at Eithad, that includes Saints and Essendon and we got nothing out of it. One of those games we topped over 51,000 attendance against Collingwood, only to receive - what $150,000 or so.

I see guys like Eddie and Kennett really stick up for their club, even North, but we just lay down when the AFL tells us to because we have an inferiority complex.

I'm not sure I agree that not getting into the GF since 61 and our poor performance this year really was the catalyst for the thread. If the cards had fallen differently today you might have actually started one praising Smorgon.

Never the less, I don't disagree too much with what you have written although we have had a long tradition of asking coaches to perform miracles without giving them sufficient support. Both Wallace and Rohde weren't given the right support to succeed and they typically cop heaps. We should all remember that some worked with 92.5% salary cap, poor gym, no rookies, part timers in charge of the VFL sides and just 2 assistant coaches etc. Things have changed substantially but the reality is more support was needed.

But lets get on to today's events, I cannot see how the coaching position could be determined without a comprehensive review of what the footy department will look like going forward. It's this point that I'm most frustrated with in today's announcement about Eade.
Given the right support, and I have already written about what we needed, I think Eade could have gone on for at least another 2 years.

To me we didn't have the right people making the decision, I actually wrote about this very thing last night, and I think they have confused the very task they were assigned to do.
- Identify the strength of the playing group
- Work out what was needed going forward and if they could put that in place
- Determine if Eade was the right man

How they have made that decision isn't clear so I think they have got it very wrong.

Smorgon has done a lot of great things and has missed a few as well. Overall he has been great for the club but on face value right at this moment he seems to have made the wrong call.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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The Herald-Sun think Fantasia was holding the knife

[GVGjr]

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The Herald-Sun think Fantasia was holding the knife

Link?

[LongWait]

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The Herald-Sun think Fantasia was holding the knife

Perhaps Eade was holding the knife - he was the person who delivered the ultimatum and forced the club's hand after all...

[Sedat]

Re: Is it time for Smorgon to step down

But lets get on to today's events, I cannot see how the coaching position could be determined without a comprehensive review of what the footy department will look live going forward. It's this point that I'm most frustrated with in today's announcement about Eade.
Given the right support, and I have already written about what we needed, I think Eade could have gone on for at least another 2 years.

To me we didn't have the right people making the decision, I actually wrote about this very thing last night, and I think they have confused the very task they were assigned to do.
- Identify the strength of the playing group
- Work out what was needed going forward and if they could put that in place
- Determine if Eade was the right man

How they have made that decision isn't clear so I think they have got it very wrong.

Smorgon has done a lot of great things and has missed a few as well. Overall he has been great for the club but on face value right at this moment he seems to have made the wrong call.

Spot on GVGjr. All season we've heard Garlick ad nauseum on radio and in the media about the club going through a thorough process at the completion of the season and respecting the process. Now we have a complete and utter about-face, with 'the process' having not even begun and with the season still 3 weeks shy of completion.

The 4 man selection committee have actually disregarded the parameters they themselves set in relation to the review of football operations. Complete and utter shambles and unfortunately our president and CEO need to share the blame.

[LongWait]

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Spot on GVGjr. All season we've heard Garlick ad nauseum on radio and in the media about going through a thorough process at the completion of the season and respecting the process. Now we have a complete and utter about-face, with 'the process' having not even begun and with the season still 3 weeks shy of completion.

The 4 man selection committee have gone way and above their station anf have actually disregarded the parameters they themselves set at the start of the season. Our president and CEO should hang their heads in shame at their conduct.

Eade's management demanded that the club either back or sack Eade immediately. What was the club supposed to do - cave in and abandon the review process because Eade's manager held a gun to their heads?

[ReLoad]

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Now we have a complete and utter about-face, with 'the process' having not even begun and with the season still 3 weeks shy of completion.

Rodney Eade and his management are the ones that brought it forward, not Garlic or the club AFAIK.