Win or lose?

[The Doctor]

Re: Win or lose?

definately win and i hope we spank em

[G-Mo77]

Re: Win or lose?

Win!

Our pick won't be that good if we lose anyway so not much point IMO. Send off Bazza and Huddo in style.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Win or lose?

Win and hope Richmond and Melbourne win too.

[chef]

Re: Win or lose?

If we win and finish 10th we might get pick 15.

If we lose and finish 13th we might get pick 12.

I think chef is implying we 'tank' such to get a better pick.

Yep, I thought that was pretty obvious, but tanking is not what I mean. More player development and finding out if our fringe players are worth keeping.

I was torn between to two(IMO the difference between pick 15 and 12 could be huge on draft day), but hope we get a win for Huddo and Baz.

[chef]

Re: Win or lose?

I'm not sure I understand the question. Why wouldn't we want to win?

Better draft position.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Win or lose?

Yep, I thought that was pretty obvious.

I was torn between to two(IMO the difference between pick 15 and 12 could be huge on draft day), but hope we get a win for Huddo and Baz.

I can't believe this thread even exists.
Difference between 15 and 12? you have to be kidding.
Lake was pick 72 !

[chef]

Re: Win or lose?

I can't believe this thread even exists.
Difference between 15 and 12? you have to be kidding.
Lake was pick 72 !

Sorry mate, I'll PM you for approval before I start a thread next time

[chef]

Re: Win or lose?

OK, he's back to tanking and wanting us to lose again.

In 2008 the difference between 13 and 15 was get Jetta or Talia or end up with Howard. I know it doesn't always make a difference, but it can be huge. Plus if we were going to put this pick on the trade table it could be the thing that trumps Richmond and Melbourne if we were all after the same player.

Anyway I don't want us to lose this weekend(I was interested in the thoughts other WOOFERS though), I would rather Baz and Huddo go out with a bang.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: Win or lose?

When you think its a good idea to lose to Freo at home with a very young team selected then you need a reality check.

I am not taking a cheap shot here 'chef' but I do think you've got to go away and have look in the mirror. You may love what you see, you may not

We are not talking about gaining an extra top 5 pick here but a minor upgrade. Further, we won't know the difference between pick 12 and 15 for another 3-4 years, and often at 15 our recruiter will get the 12th player they want.

Tutt, Roughy, Scho, Dahl, Jones, Grant etc etc etc will get far more out of successfully executing the game plan and beating Freo than they will out of tanking. It is very important to finish the worst year we've had in a while strongly.

[stefoid]

Re: Win or lose?

God the hysteria. Nobody wants us to tank.

The equation is if we win and Richmond and Melbourne lose, we get pick 17
If we lose we are guarenteed pick 12.
This draft does not run deep.

The best possible outcome is that all three teams win so we still get pick 12.

But if we give it our best shot and come up short, then I dont mind that outcome either, given the consolation is 3-5 pick advancement in the first round of the draft.

I dont know how many other superters feel that way - I guess most posters reply becaue they feel strongly one way or the other.

[The Coon Dog]

Re: Win or lose?

Jon Ralph in the Herald Sun has written a similar article about Richmond:

Loss may be a victory for Tigers

[LostDoggy]

Re: Win or lose?

I understand the thinking behind the question, but basically, I don't think selling your soul is worth an upgrade from 15 to 13. Heck, it's barely worth it to secure a no.1 pick.

The thing about selling your soul is that it's really hard to get it back -- Carlton tanked in the middle of last decade and they're still proppy when facing a real challenge and barely in the top 4. Melbourne aren't going anywhere for a while, and Richmond.. well. Yes, Collingwood technically 'tanked' for Daisy and Pendlebury, but Malthouse still took 11 years to snag a flag (and I think their money and Arizona training has more to do with their success than draft order), and Hawthorn owes more to smart/lucky drafting with Cyril and Buddy, who were both available to other clubs, than tanking per se.

Only West Coast with the NicNat draft really tanked and succeeded I think, but Worsfold barely survived that, and they didn't really have a soul to begin with anyway, having traded it a long time ago in the Cousins drugs era for a flag, so they don't really count.

[Mofra]

Re: Win or lose?

Well, IIRC the difference between 2 draft spots a few years back was Everitt at 11 or Riewoldt at 13.

I'll be cheering for a win this week.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Win or lose?

I understand the thinking behind the question, but basically, I don't think selling your soul is worth an upgrade from 15 to 13. Heck, it's barely worth it to secure a no.1 pick.

The thing about selling your soul is that it's really hard to get it back -- Carlton tanked in the middle of last decade and they're still proppy when facing a real challenge and barely in the top 4. Melbourne aren't going anywhere for a while, and Richmond.. well. Yes, Collingwood technically 'tanked' for Daisy and Pendlebury, but Malthouse still took 11 years to snag a flag (and I think their money and Arizona training has more to do with their success than draft order), and Hawthorn owes more to smart/lucky drafting with Cyril and Buddy, who were both available to other clubs, than tanking per se.

Only West Coast with the NicNat draft really tanked and succeeded I think, but Worsfold barely survived that, and they didn't really have a soul to begin with anyway, having traded it a long time ago in the Cousins drugs era for a flag, so they don't really count.

If I ever meet you, I'm going to buy you a beer.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Re: Win or lose?

Well, IIRC the difference between 2 draft spots a few years back was Everitt at 11 or Riewoldt at 13.

I'll be cheering for a win this week.

Good call, so will I