Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[LongWait]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

You can cut a first year rookie without having to pay them out for the second year.

I'm hearing that both will likely be retained.

[GVGjr]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

I'm hearing that both will likely be retained.

I sort of see the sense in that but I haven't seen a lot of positives in Redpath.

Perhaps he just needs more time but he seems to lack awareness of what's going on around him.

[LongWait]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Unfortunately I haven't seen Redpath play, so I have little idea what he might bring to the table. The coach has, on a couple of occasions, publicly said encouraging things about his expectations next year for Redpath and Greenwood. I'm assuming he is genuine and therefore I'm thinking they are at least in the picture to be retained as rookies.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I sort of see the sense in that but I haven't seen a lot of positives in Redpath.

Perhaps he just needs more time but he seems to lack awareness of what's going on around him.

To be fair, if we can give Mulligan and Hooper multiple years on the rookie/senior list, then Redpath probably deserves an opportunity at a second season if his attitude is good -- which apparently, it is.

I don't have a problem with it.

I can't see us keeping both Panos and Hill though.

[jeemak]

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To be fair, if we can give Mulligan and Hooper multiple years on the rookie/senior list, then Redpath probably deserves an opportunity at a second season if his attitude is good -- which apparently, it is.

I don't have a problem with it.

I can't see us keeping both Panos and Hill though.

Each of Panos and Hill from what I've seen and read have shown more than Redpath at Willi, so wouldn't it be a bit silly to ditch each of them and keep Redpath?

Am I missing something? Redpath is already 22 and from an experience gained and perforamnce point of view is behind each of Panos and Hill. Surely either of the latter would be better place downgraded to Rookie List status?

[Hotdog60]

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To be fair, if we can give Mulligan and Hooper multiple years on the rookie/senior list, then Redpath probably deserves an opportunity at a second season if his attitude is good -- which apparently, it is.

I don't have a problem with it.

I can't see us keeping both Panos and Hill though.

From the Bulldogs site, Panos got a contract extension in November so I think he is safe unless they are going to pay him out.

[Desipura]

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I may be in the minority however I think Hill is worth perservering with. I think his best position is a full forward, I like the position he gets into to take a mark, he moves well for a 199cm big bodied player.
His skills below his knees are very good and I think he has some smarts about him.

Unless his attitude is not the best and cannot be changed, I hope he stays on the list.
He should have played a game in the seniors this year given his good form early in the season.
Other players showed less form and played. Injuries in the middle of the season did not help and I think he has been a victim of the Williamstown/Bulldogs alignment.

[G-Mo77]

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I'm happy to keep Hill as well but we do need to cut into our list. We're likely going to elevate Campbell and I think we'll do the same with Jong. Shaggy, Gilbee, Moles, Hooper, Muligan won't be with us next year. While there is still question marks over Vez, Sherman and DJ it's not guaranteed they'll be moved off our list.

Personally I'd like minimum 6 picks in the draft but would prefer 7.

[GVGjr]

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I may be in the minority however I think Hill is worth perservering with. I think his best position is a full forward, I like the position he gets into to take a mark, he moves well for a 199cm big bodied player.
His skills below his knees are very good and I think he has some smarts about him.

Unless his attitude is not the best and cannot be changed, I hope he stays on the list.
He should have played a game in the seniors this year given his good form early in the season.
Other players showed less form and played. Injuries in the middle of the season did not help and I think he has been a victim of the Williamstown/Bulldogs alignment.

I'm not sure you are in a (small) minority because there is no doubt he has some ability. Currently I don't think he has the motor at the moment to be a senior footballer but if he is a hard worker I'm sure the coaches can get a lot more out of him.

He had some good form during the season and had to battle some injuries as well. Perceived team balance might be the biggest hurdle for him

[Bulldog4life]

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I think that the Club might delist Shaggy, Gilbee, Moles, Hooper, Muligan, Vez and Hill.
Campbell and Jong will be elevated. This will leave us 5 picks in the draft.
I think that Hill would most likely be retained if we had fewer big men. Sherman and Panos's contracts save them and DJ's last game might contribute to him staying.

Just my opinion on what the Club might do.

[Bornadog]

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I think that the Club might delist Shaggy, Gilbee, Moles, Hooper, Muligan, Vez and Hill.
Campbell and Jong will be elevated. This will leave us 5 picks in the draft.
I think that Hill would most likely be retained if we had fewer big men. Sherman and Panos's contracts save them and DJ's last game might contribute to him staying.

Just my opinion on what the Club might do.

and you are not too far off. Hill may get another year?

[azabob]

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I think that the Club might delist Shaggy, Gilbee, Moles, Hooper, Muligan, Vez and Hill.
Campbell and Jong will be elevated. This will leave us 5 picks in the draft.
I think that Hill would most likely be retained if we had fewer big men. Sherman and Panos's contracts save them and DJ's last game might contribute to him staying.

Just my opinion on what the Club might do.

I think JJ can also be added to the elevation list.

Can we put Panos back to the rookie list as we did with Michael West (tall forward) a few years back?

[stefoid]

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I have my doubts about Redpath and Panos - maybe 15 years ago when big bruising lead from the square into space style FF were viable they would have been able to carve out a career. But these days you have to be as smart, agile and skilled as Barry Hall to play that style of game, and those guys arent.

Pack marks are back for goal square forwards so 198cm Hill seems worth persevering with.

I think Id like to see us trade Panos if we can ,perhaps to Port, and Sherman to the Dees, and delist Redpath.

Upgrade Campbell, JJ and Jong.

Retain Greenwood and Austin. Get in 4 new rookies.

[azabob]

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, and Sherman to the Dees,

Have you heard Melbourne have shown an interest in Sherman or are you just saying Melbourne in hope?

[The Underdog]

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I think JJ can also be added to the elevation list.

Can we put Panos back to the rookie list as we did with Michael West (tall forward) a few years back?

If JJ isn't elevated there is something clearly wrong. He was by far the best of any of the rookies at AFL level and would almost be starting 22 next year given he gave us both run and foot skills.