Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[stefoid]

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I think the consensus is that Minno is a free agent, may be entertaining offers from GWS and that we would get band 3 (2nd round) or 4 (end of 2nd round) compo from the AFL if he did go as a free agent, and that such picks must be used the same year they are given, i.e. in the upcoming draft.

So with minno: a) its out of our hands and b) wouldnt be the worst thing in the world if we had an extra 2nd rounder (pick 28 ish) in this years draft

If anyone knows for sure, please correct.

[stefoid]

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But is his scope for improvement greater than others on our list? Where will that improvement come from and why?

He could learn to mark the ball and kick goals which would put him ahead of most of our taller forwards

But how likely is that?

[westdog54]

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Why would an ex senior coach that's any good want to be an assistant?
It's a step down.
If he was any good he'd go for a senior role itself or a football managers role.

Besides that our structure is wrong. We have football manager with that's been in the afl for a while but has little coaching and no playing experience. Under him we have a first year coach with no afl playing experience.
We want to slot someone in underneath them on a struggling clubs wage that out qualifies both?

On the first point, I don't think that going to a Senior Assistant's role in the AFL is a step down from coaching in the VFL. He's taken the step down already.

Secondly, would Ayres want a Football manager's role? We could do worse than throw it out there.

[jeemak]

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On the first point, I don't think that going to a Senior Assistant's role in the AFL is a step down from coaching in the VFL. He's taken the step down already.

Secondly, would Ayres want a Football manager's role? We could do worse than throw it out there.

You make a good point in the first instance, in that I think a first assistant role at an AFL club is a higher position than a senior coach at VFL level, and a football person like Ayers or similar would recognise that, and might even take it if money wasn't their main concern.

Not sure about your second point though. We might think Fantasia is flawed in many ways, though I haven't seen any evidence that Ayres would do a better job.

[LostDoggy]

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On the first point, I don't think that going to a Senior Assistant's role in the AFL is a step down from coaching in the VFL. He's taken the step down already.

Secondly, would Ayres want a Football manager's role? We could do worse than throw it out there.

It's a step down for someone that been an afl senior coach before.

Maybe Ayres would make a good Football Manager. Problem is we have one there already and will it work with McCartney? I understand if we had a young inexperienced coach willing to take advice but we have an old inexperienced coach.

[Go_Dogs]

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But is his scope for improvement greater than others on our list? Where will that improvement come from and why?

Not sure it's greater than others, the thing about Skinner though is if he does make it, he offers a big point of difference to some of our other players with his potential skill set. He's still miles off at the moment and he's no certainty to still be on the list next year.

That being said, he's been training in a professional environment for not quite 2 years. He still needs to get fitter so he can offer more repeat leads and defensive efforts for a whole game. I saw some slight improvement in this area in his last game. He also needs to get better at knowing when and where to run, which should improve with time too. He hasn't yet shown his aerial marking ability at AFL level, but it is something he possess.

I think it's time that he needs, time on the track and time learning how to play his role.

The question will ultimately be, how confident are we that he can make these improvements, and if we are confident he can, do we think we could get a better/more likely to make it player with another late draft pick this year?

Maybe I'm blinded by wanting to see him make it, but there are others I'd move on first so I'd like him to have another year.

[jeemak]

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I would have hoped for a little more from Skinner due to his age, though it's undeniable he's come from such a long way back that he's probably not that far behind now than where he might have been in the best case anyway.

[Hotdog60]

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It's a step down for someone that been an afl senior coach before.

Maybe Ayres would make a good Football Manager. Problem is we have one there already and will it work with McCartney? I understand if we had a young inexperienced coach willing to take advice but we have an old inexperienced coach.

Would it be worth while to consider Coco Royal back to the kennel, he may tell us to get stuffed but he does have a lot of experience and has been away from the club for awhile.

[westdog54]

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It's a step down for someone that been an afl senior coach before.

Maybe Ayres would make a good Football Manager. Problem is we have one there already and will it work with McCartney? I understand if we had a young inexperienced coach willing to take advice but we have an old inexperienced coach.

He has been a senior coach, I acknowledge that, but would a senior assistants job not be a step forward from where he is now?

As for Mccartney, I don't think he'd shy away from his inexperience if it was felt higher up that he'd benefit from some extra help.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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You make a good point in the first instance, in that I think a first assistant role at an AFL club is a higher position than a senior coach at VFL level, and a football person like Ayers or similar would recognise that, and might even take it if money wasn't their main concern.

Not sure about your second point though. We might think Fantasia is flawed in many ways, though I haven't seen any evidence that Ayres would do a better job.

We could do a lot worse than to engage Gary Ayres in a 2IC Assistant Coach to McCartney. We do have an inexperienced MC and the experience of Ayres would greatly assist the football department which through lack of finances has lacked football know how compared to the greater resources available to the more successful clubs.

[Bornadog]

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We could do a lot worse than to engage Gary Ayres in a 2IC Assistant Coach to McCartney. We do have an inexperienced MC and the experience of Ayres would greatly assist the football department which through lack of finances has lacked football know how compared to the greater resources available to the more successful clubs.

It would be the same role Rocket and Bomber are doing now and could be a good choice. Malthouse would be ideal, but I doubt we would have the cash or he would want to do it.

[1eyedog]

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We could do a lot worse than to engage Gary Ayres in a 2IC Assistant Coach to McCartney. We do have an inexperienced MC and the experience of Ayres would greatly assist the football department which through lack of finances has lacked football know how compared to the greater resources available to the more successful clubs.

I'm not sure how well Ayres is led. He is a bit of an alpha male is Ayres. He was earmarked for assistant roles when he went to the Boroughs but chose to run his own show.

[jeemak]

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I'm not sure how well Ayres is led. He is a bit of an alpha male is Ayres. He was earmarked for assistant roles when he went to the Boroughs but chose to run his own show.

He's said he has aspirations towards fulfilling a senior role again at AFL level, but the reality is he's been out of the system for a long time since being a senior AFL coach, and he is now at a successful second tier club that is independent from the AFL system. I don't think it would be a stretch to suggest he's not going to be a ready made football manager, or senior assistant for that matter.

If I was going to suggest anyone that is recently experienced in AFL football from a senior coaching perspective that might be suitable I'd be realistic enough to table guys like Dean Laidley and Mark Harvey.

However, I actually don't think we need anyone to supplement our current match committee and coaching staff. Just as the list of players they have at their disposal has to learn a lot, they do as well, and I'd prefer to see them given free reign over the club for the next year or so and develop our list how they want to and learn together.

[LostDoggy]

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Wallace would be good,

Aye?
Terry Wallace?

[Ghost Dog]

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I'm getting a bit nervous because of how little we are getting from the senior blokes at the moment ( in terms of skill level - Griff aside ) . Would it be worth elevating anyone to the leadership group?