McCartney to coach Bulldogs

[The Coon Dog]

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I think this is why Mackie is sometimes on the outer at the Cats. Very talented and attacking but not hard at the contest naturally.

No wonder Scotty Clayton rated him so highly.

[stefoid]

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BulldogBrent posted this to BDF:

"Interesting info from SNF:

The Bulldogs confirmed highly rated and long serving assistant Brendan McCartney as Eade’s appointment on Monday.

The appointment didn’t go down as smoothly internally as Dogs officials wanted.

Caretaker coach Paul Williams didn’t turn up for work Whitten Oval after being told he had missed out on the top job.

Senior assistant and former Dogs player Brett Montgomery is understood to have left the Dogs home ground base as soon as he was told of McCartney’s appointment and that he had also missed out.

It is understood that hot favourite and former Dogs playing star Leon Cameron got told he had been overlooked very late on Sunday night, after the decision was made to appoint McCartney."

I hope German and Dean stay.

[SydneyD]

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Good luck to him -and i hope the club does well obviously -but ive got a massive issue with the fact that he has never played AFL . I think alot of supporters of various AFL clubs are being conned by these so called coaching gurus. These coaching gurus in AFL are virtually the same as swing coaching gurus in pro golf-guys who had very ordinary pro careers -but who are telling far superior players how to hit a golf ball -blokes like David Leadbetter , Butch Harmon etc. The great Lee Tevino summed it up properly -a journalist asked him would he have a lesson off one of these new swing gurus -and Lee said he would if one of them could have a round with him and actually beat him -otherwise why would he listen to them.

Thats my whole point -you take Higgins -alot you want him out the door -why would Shaun listen to a guy who has never played . Put that into a golfing perspective -if you were a scratch marker and you were hitting balls on the practise fairway and a 15 handicapper came up to and tried to start telling you how to hit it-would you listen to him -i wouldnt . but if someone who was on plus3 told you a few things -you would listen to him

Some of the no names who have conned their way into AFL Coaching-Damien Drum , Mark Neeld Chris Connoly -and what about Ross Lyon-a million a year-he must go around pinching himself -thinking this cant be for real-i reckon he would look at his bank statement every 5 minutes to make sure hes not dreaming

Supporters say why havent we had the ultimate success -it must be because of our coach or culture -what a load of bulldust -if we had Wayne Carey in the last 5 years -we would have a minium of 2 flags

The point im making is that there is alot of spin and bulldust in AFL -Just like there is in other sports where there is plenty of easy money to be divied up.

[GVGjr]

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A few snippets of information I have heard

Cameron's presentation to the committee made mention of how the Hawks paid him more than the Bulldogs.

McCartney has a wicked sense of humor but can go hard at the players who aren't responding.
A mate of mine who's in the coaches box for Essendon thinks we won't be out coached and that McCartney was an excellent choice.

[The Underdog]

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Good luck to him -and i hope the club does well obviously -but ive got a massive issue with the fact that he has never played AFL . I think alot of supporters of various AFL clubs are being conned by these so called coaching gurus. These coaching gurus in AFL are virtually the same as swing coaching gurus in pro golf-guys who had very ordinary pro careers -but who are telling far superior players how to hit a golf ball -blokes like David Leadbetter , Butch Harmon etc. The great Lee Tevino summed it up properly -a journalist asked him would he have a lesson off one of these new swing gurus -and Lee said he would if one of them could have a round with him and actually beat him -otherwise why would he listen to them.

Thats my whole point -you take Higgins -alot you want him out the door -why would Shaun listen to a guy who has never played . Put that into a golfing perspective -if you were a scratch marker and you were hitting balls on the practise fairway and a 15 handicapper came up to and tried to start telling you how to hit it-would you listen to him -i wouldnt . but if someone who was on plus3 told you a few things -you would listen to him

Some of the no names who have conned their way into AFL Coaching-Damien Drum , Mark Neeld Chris Connoly -and what about Ross Lyon-a million a year-he must go around pinching himself -thinking this cant be for real-i reckon he would look at his bank statement every 5 minutes to make sure hes not dreaming

Supporters say why havent we had the ultimate success -it must be because of our coach or culture -what a load of bulldust -if we had Wayne Carey in the last 5 years -we would have a minium of 2 flags

The point im making is that there is alot of spin and bulldust in AFL -Just like there is in other sports where there is plenty of easy money to be divied up.

Drum, Neeld, Connolly and Lyon all had AFL careers and did apprenticeships as assistant coaches. Lyon had his team in 3 GF's in 2 years which considering some of the players on that list almost constituted illusion. Al Clarkson was an ordinary AFL player and is a premiership coach.

All the word on McCartney is that he has the respect of the players under him and even the great James Hird sings his praises. Surely if players didn't listen to him, Tom Harley who played under him for ages wouldn't have recommended him

Why would Shaun Higgins listen to a guy who has never played AFL? Well just maybe he's a professional who'd like to learn & be successful.
As for your Wayne Carey line, do you really believe that?

[LostDoggy]

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Not sure how to compare an individual coach in golf on 1 aspect of that game to an afl team head coach.

Also I believe most NFL coaches have never played the game at the highest level. If they can manage egos in the NFL then afl is easy.

[whythelongface]

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You only need to look at the English premier league in regards to successful managers who have not played at the top level. Sir Alex Ferguson and arsene wenger are two that come to mind, both extremely successful and apparently very good managers of people, in particular developing younger players. I like the fact that the club has looked at personnel development as being one of the key attributes for our new coach.

[Maddog37]

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Good luck to him -and i hope the club does well obviously -but ive got a massive issue with the fact that he has never played AFL . I think alot of supporters of various AFL clubs are being conned by these so called coaching gurus. These coaching gurus in AFL are virtually the same as swing coaching gurus in pro golf-guys who had very ordinary pro careers -but who are telling far superior players how to hit a golf ball -blokes like David Leadbetter , Butch Harmon etc. The great Lee Tevino summed it up properly -a journalist asked him would he have a lesson off one of these new swing gurus -and Lee said he would if one of them could have a round with him and actually beat him -otherwise why would he listen to them.

Thats my whole point -you take Higgins -alot you want him out the door -why would Shaun listen to a guy who has never played . Put that into a golfing perspective -if you were a scratch marker and you were hitting balls on the practise fairway and a 15 handicapper came up to and tried to start telling you how to hit it-would you listen to him -i wouldnt . but if someone who was on plus3 told you a few things -you would listen to him

Some of the no names who have conned their way into AFL Coaching-Damien Drum , Mark Neeld Chris Connoly -and what about Ross Lyon-a million a year-he must go around pinching himself -thinking this cant be for real-i reckon he would look at his bank statement every 5 minutes to make sure hes not dreaming

Supporters say why havent we had the ultimate success -it must be because of our coach or culture -what a load of bulldust -if we had Wayne Carey in the last 5 years -we would have a minium of 2 flags

The point im making is that there is alot of spin and bulldust in AFL -Just like there is in other sports where there is plenty of easy money to be divied up.

Lee Trevino was a first class nut job. Paddy Harrington changed coaches and won two majors.

You may be right but only time will tell.

[Ghost Dog]

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Drum, Neeld, Connolly and Lyon all had AFL careers and did apprenticeships as assistant coaches. Lyon had his team in 3 GF's in 2 years which considering some of the players on that list almost constituted illusion. Al Clarkson was an ordinary AFL player and is a premiership coach.

All the word on McCartney is that he has the respect of the players under him and even the great James Hird sings his praises. Surely if players didn't listen to him, Tom Harley who played under him for ages wouldn't have recommended him

Why would Shaun Higgins listen to a guy who has never played AFL? Well just maybe he's a professional who'd like to learn & be successful.
As for your Wayne Carey line, do you really believe that?

After this season, reserve the right to be more cautious from now on.
Will not be getting too confident in the abilities of Mr McCartney until we see some real changes and wins on the board. that being said, very glad to have him and really excited about next season.

what about the advantages of people who have not played?
Perhaps they will tend to focus more on the above the shoulders stuff. Screaming at players to do this and that is not much good when you have not invested serious time building up their confidence, getting to know their weak points mentally and showing them ways to learn and improve. Perhaps a former player / coach tends to emphasis the physical while the mental / sports psychology aspects get neglected. I'm just guessing, but maybe there are advantates being a coach who has not having played the game

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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It's a good point you have made but I think I can answer this from some things I have witnessed in the work place. It's often around the perception that the manager (in this instance the coach) has the ability to not only embrace change but still be able to set and reset the course during changing and difficult times.

McCartney might only be 3 years younger than Eade, and certainly older than all the other guys interviewed, but obviously he has impressed the club with his football philosophies, his man management skills and his enthusiasm to get the team back into contention.

He can't do it all on his own so I hope that we can also put in place a strong support team.

If enthusiasm, professionalism and sheer delight in being given the opportunity to coach the side count for anything he should make an immediate impression.

I like you am delighted with the appointment of McCartney. My understanding from the inner sanctum was that"it wasn't a concern of Rodney's lack of fire in the belly being the reason for his non- appointment, as quoted by Mantis but for other reasons. Malthouse who is much older is still regarded as the best coach going around which supports the theory that age isn't any barrier. McCartney doesn't fit the mould of our more recent coaches but what we will get is a sound leader of men, a teacher and someone who will instil passion, intensity and a will to win into the team. This has to be good for our future.

[SydneyD]

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After this season, reserve the right to be more cautious from now on.
Will not be getting too confident in the abilities of Mr McCartney until we see some real changes and wins on the board. that being said, very glad to have him and really excited about next season.

what about the advantages of people who have not played?
Perhaps they will tend to focus more on the above the shoulders stuff. Screaming at players to do this and that is not much good when you have not invested serious time building up their confidence, getting to know their weak points mentally and showing them ways to learn and improve. Perhaps a former player / coach tends to emphasis the physical while the mental / sports psychology aspects get neglected. I'm just guessing, but maybe there are advantates being a coach who has not having played the game

Seriously i cant think of any advantage of a coach having never played . Right at this very moment do you think our players are inspired by a coach who has never played

Living up here in Sydney -i can remember when the Swans appointed Col Kinnear as coach-i think the only sporting prowess he had was that he was a wicketkeeper for Carlton in the district cricket ! -and it was a total unmitigated disaster. From memory he sacked Rod Carter -then because of the backlash -he reinstated him for a couple of token games .Just imagine with our club if we had a coach whos never played -and they want to tell blokes like say Dempsey or Bisset or Johny Jillard that their times up -give me a break

I hope it goes well -but i would much prefer someone who had a good playing record -what was wrong with Peter Dean for feck sake

[Bulldog Joe]

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I hope it goes well -but i would much prefer someone who had a good playing record -what was wrong with Peter Dean for feck sake

We need to get over the idea that you need to have played at the top level.

On that basis we could have perhaps appointed Jordan McMahon or Andrew McDougall.

I can't recall Peter Fortune running at the Olympics but he coached a certain Cathy Freeman ( I think she did ok)

It is not about being able to execute the skill as understand how the skill is mastered.

An old saying to think about.

"those who can do ....those who can't coach"

[Doc26]

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Good luck to him -and i hope the club does well obviously -but ive got a massive issue with the fact that he has never played AFL . I think alot of supporters of various AFL clubs are being conned by these so called coaching gurus.

We've had 55 plus years now of coaches who have played at the elite level. What's in the cupboard ? Why not try something different to the accepted 'norm' ? I see it as a brave call yet well considered.

Thats my whole point -you take Higgins -alot you want him out the door -why would Shaun listen to a guy who has never played.

Surely a better example could've been found than Shaun. Many would argue the tried and true coaches have failed in getting the most out of Shaun. Again, why not try something different to the accepted 'norm' ?

From what I've learnt and seen I'm comfortable with Brendan on board to give it a crack where for 55 plus years all others have failed to take home the prize we're longing for.

[The Underdog]

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Seriously i cant think of any advantage of a coach having never played . Right at this very moment do you think our players are inspired by a coach who has never played

Living up here in Sydney -i can remember when the Swans appointed Col Kinnear as coach-i think the only sporting prowess he had was that he was a wicketkeeper for Carlton in the district cricket ! -and it was a total unmitigated disaster. From memory he sacked Rod Carter -then because of the backlash -he reinstated him for a couple of token games .Just imagine with our club if we had a coach whos never played -and they want to tell blokes like say Dempsey or Bisset or Johny Jillard that their times up -give me a break

I hope it goes well -but i would much prefer someone who had a good playing record -what was wrong with Peter Dean for feck sake

He's coached there for two (3?) years and the club didn't approach him to apply for the position. Maybe that tells you something.
Half our kids probably weren't aware that Rodney Eade played AFL for christ sake. I can understand players not listening because the coach sucks but not listening to a good coach because he didn't play AFL is ridiculous. He's spent 14 years involved in coaching top level AFL football, including involvement in 2 premierships and 3 GF's. Maybe that just might prove to be enough.

[The Coon Dog]

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If a player doesn't respond to a coach simply because he hasn't played the game at the highest level then its a cop out by that player & says more about them as a person/sportsman than the coach.

I, like the vast majority have no idea whether this is a good appointment or not, only time will tell.

Appointing someone just because their CV says they played at the highest level means they have ticked a box the other person hasn't, but there are many more boxes to be ticked than just that one.

I think about a battler in Peter Rohde & a champion in Royce Hart; both were awful coaches.