McCartney to coach Bulldogs

[ledge]

Re: McCartney to coach Bulldogs

Makes me wonder is the senior coach now just a communicater, does he set the gameplan anymore or is that moving towards the assistants and the assistants are now more important being the ones who played the game?
Is this the way the game is going?

[Curly5]

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It will be interesting to see if he brings his own assistants.

[LostDoggy]

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My final post on the matter-i wamt to take issue with a few of the posts here

You say our players are mentally weak in crunch games -that is just rubbish -i stand by my earlier comments -if we had Wayne Carey at CHF in last 5 years i say we have 2 or 3 p/cups in the trophy cabinet. I went to 2009 PF -for the 1st 20 minutes of last quater the ball was stuck in our forward line -Carey at chf -5 goal win.In 2008 the Max Rooke Brad Johnson incident -what was there 2 or 3 goals in game -Carey at chf -another certain win.

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I don't really understand your argument? Are you saying if you inserted the greatest player in league history to fill out biggest weakness, we would have been a better team? Jesus, how didn't rocket see that

[Guido]

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Thats my whole point -you take Higgins -alot you want him out the door -why would Shaun listen to a guy who has never played .

It comes down to the relationship they build and the respect he has for McCartney as a coach, not as a player.

You can't be 100% on any coach until you see him in action, so even though I'm happy with the appointment (given the candidates available) and he looks to be a natural leader, I just don't know how he's going to fare.

But what I do know is that his personality, knowledge, motivation and coaching techniques, and the respect and confidence the list has in him as coach, will have a far greater influence on how much he gets out of each individual player (and the sum of those parts) than his playing career from 30 years ago.

[Mantis]

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Makes me wonder is the senior coach now just a communicater, does he set the gameplan anymore or is that moving towards the assistants and the assistants are now more important being the ones who played the game?
Is this the way the game is going?

You really do come out with some weird stuff ledge.

[ledge]

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You really do come out with some weird stuff ledge.

Left field mate its all the rage this September

[stefoid]

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Makes me wonder is the senior coach now just a communicater, does he set the gameplan anymore or is that moving towards the assistants and the assistants are now more important being the ones who played the game?
Is this the way the game is going?

I wouldnt know, but Im aware of a perception that Rocket was not good at developing younger players and had a tendancy to blow his stack too often.

McCartney's reputation is the opposite. So 'tactical genius' probably isnt the main thing we were looking for in the new coach, but more of a communicator to improve the morale and cohesion of the team.

Some might argue that despite all the tactical evolution over the years, the most important part of the coaches job is to get all the players heads in the right place and playing consistant, uncompromising team football.

This is suppsoedly McCartneys strong suit.

Edit: Im sick of typing McCartney already, Im typing macca from now on.

[ledge]

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I wouldnt know, but Im aware of a perception that Rocket was not good at developing younger players and had a tendancy to blow his stack too often.

McCartney's reputation is the opposite. So 'tactical genius' probably isnt the main thing we were looking for in the new coach, but more of a communicator to improve the morale and cohesion of the team.

Some might argue that despite all the tactical evolution over the years, the most important part of the coaches job is to get all the players heads in the right place and playing consistant, uncompromising team football.

This is suppsoedly McCartneys strong suit.

Edit: Im sick of typing McCartney already, Im typing macca from now on.

This is they way I was thinking, Craig Bellamy comes to mind, could he coach in any sport, it was mentioned on SEN this bloke is so good with players that it would be an interesting scenario.
The coach now seems to be a motivator and keeping players happy and aiming for the one thing, the assistants are the ones doing the actual football training, coaching etc.

I also wonder whats Hirds job is at Essendon, we all know he is named as coach but every cross over I have seen of him all year he was hardly on the phone, never had a head set on and just seemed to be watching, Thompson on the other hand was always the one interviewed and always involved with the actual game going on.

I am not judging it just asking if its the way the game is going.

[Sedat]

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I wouldnt know, but Im aware of a perception that Rocket was not good at developing younger players

I reckon this was a BS perception. There were a hatful of under 23's on our list that were treading water and one step away from delistings/trades when Rocket came to the club. These under 23's then formed the backbone of our 2008-2010 teams. Rocket also managed the exit of Darcy, Grant, Smith and West, who were 4 of our best 5 players (Johnno being the other) when Rocket arrived. If he could not develop young talent we would have spent 2008-2010 in mid table mediocrity at best.

[turtle]

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With the discussion surrounding the growing importance around the assistant coaches I have two questions/observations
1. Am I right in saying that we are 1 or 2 assistants short on what is available at the top clubs?
2. As an outsider there doesn't seem to be the same focus on the process of getting the right assistants. As an exstension of this, as an under-resourced club, is it not more critical that we get this part absolutely right? I'm not suggesting the guys we have are not good at their job, it just seems that the appointment of assistants is not as rigorous as it could be, and this might be an area where we could be more efficient.

[LongWait]

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I reckon this was a BS perception. There were a hatful of under 23's on our list that were treading water and one step away from delistings/trades when Rocket came to the club. These under 23's then formed the backbone of our 2008-2010 teams. Rocket also managed the exit of Darcy, Grant, Smith and West, who were 4 of our best 5 players (Johnno being the other) when Rocket arrived. If he could not develop young talent we would have spent 2008-2010 in mid table mediocrity at best.

With respect I think you are comparing Rocket to his predecessors (Peter Rohde and Terry Wallace), rather than to the best in the competition. Rocket might have gotten more from the players you mentioned than Rohde did, but did that group outperform their peers at the top end of the competition?

[Mantis]

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As an outsider there doesn't seem to be the same focus on the process of getting the right assistants. As an exstension of this, as an under-resourced club, is it not more critical that we get this part absolutely right? I'm not suggesting the guys we have are not good at their job, it just seems that the appointment of assistants is not as rigorous as it could be, and this might be an area where we could be more efficient.

But who are the 'right' assistants?

[LostDoggy]

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But who are the 'right' assistants?

Neil Craig, Rodney Eade and Mark Harvey would be a pretty kickarse panel, but you'd probably end up spending more time managing the egos in the coaches' box than on the field.

(Although it's been said that all those guys mentioned are very un-ego driven)

[turtle]

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But who are the 'right' assistants?

I wasn't suggesting the guys that we have are right or wrong. It was more a question around the recruitment process.

Given the increased importance of assistant coaches, are we set up to get the best available talent? It might be that we are and these appointmments just don't have the visibility of the senior role. I just wonder whether this is an area we could improve upon.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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I wasn't suggesting the guys that we have are right or wrong. It was more a question around the recruitment process.

Given the increased importance of assistant coaches, are we set up to get the best available talent? It might be that we are and these appointmments just don't have the visibility of the senior role. I just wonder whether this is an area we could improve upon.

We forget that these same assistants with some exceptions had us in three consecetive preliminary finals.
All the rage at the moment is engaging assistants from successful clubs which probably has as much to do with the quality of players at these powerful clubs. The coach ultimately has responsible for the team's success and therefore it should become his responsibility to gather the best core group around him. There is also the question of financial resources with Collingwood for example having a 50% greater budget in it's football department than the Western Bulldogs.This has been an ongoing problem for our Club over many years.