McCartney to coach Bulldogs

[LostDoggy]

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Seriously i cant think of any advantage of a coach having never played .

I can't think of a disadvantage either. Its coaching not playing.

Right at this very moment do you think our players are inspired by a coach who has never played

Excuse my language but thats a load of rubbish. As if the players are only inspired by someones resume.

Living up here in Sydney -i can remember when the Swans appointed Col Kinnear as coach-i think the only sporting prowess he had was that he was a wicketkeeper for Carlton in the district cricket ! -and it was a total unmitigated disaster. From memory he sacked Rod Carter -then because of the backlash -he reinstated him for a couple of token games .

Maybe one example of it not working, many others already stated where it has.

Just imagine with our club if we had a coach whos never played -and they want to tell blokes like say Dempsey or Bisset or Johny Jillard that their times up -give me a break

Not sure how you come up with this. We had Royce Hart sack a future brownlow winner and experienced coaches playing give club champions a year too many as well.
Don't need AFL playing experience to be able to judge and tell somone they are finished.

[LongWait]

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He's coached there for two (3?) years and the club didn't approach him to apply for the position. Maybe that tells you something.
Half our kids probably weren't aware that Rodney Eade played AFL for christ sake. I can understand players not listening because the coach sucks but not listening to a good coach because he didn't play AFL is ridiculous. He's spent 14 years involved in coaching top level AFL football, including involvement in 2 premierships and 3 GF's. Maybe that just might prove to be enough.

Alex Fasolo wears the famous 35 for Collingwood, yet Fasolo didn't know anything about Peter Daicos - he'd heard of him but that was all. Being a past player doesn't mean much to Gen Y kids.

[LostDoggy]

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Geez SydneyD. Should i have told my Geography teacher to stfu when at high school because he'd never been to Algeria? Sort of makes all books and second hand stories obsolete doesn't it?

For many years i've thought many of our players (rightly or wrongly) suffer from being mentally weak in crunch games. If B McC, as a teacher and motivater, can get into their headspace and change their thought patterns then i'm all for him.

Yet to hear a qualified voice speak ill of him.

[Maddog37]

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Seriously i cant think of any advantage of a coach having never played . Right at this very moment do you think our players are inspired by a coach who has never played

Living up here in Sydney -i can remember when the Swans appointed Col Kinnear as coach-i think the only sporting prowess he had was that he was a wicketkeeper for Carlton in the district cricket ! -and it was a total unmitigated disaster. From memory he sacked Rod Carter -then because of the backlash -he reinstated him for a couple of token games .Just imagine with our club if we had a coach whos never played -and they want to tell blokes like say Dempsey or Bisset or Johny Jillard that their times up -give me a break

I hope it goes well -but i would much prefer someone who had a good playing record -what was wrong with Peter Dean for feck sake

Peter, is that you?

[SydneyD]

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After this season, reserve the right to be more cautious from now on.
Will not be getting too confident in the abilities of Mr McCartney until we see some real changes and wins on the board. that being said, very glad to have him and really excited about next season.

what about the advantages of people who have not played?
Perhaps they will tend to focus more on the above the shoulders stuff. Screaming at players to do this and that is not much good when you have not invested serious time building up their confidence, getting to know their weak points mentally and showing them ways to learn and improve. Perhaps a former player / coach tends to emphasis the physical while the mental / sports psychology aspects get neglected. I'm just guessing, but maybe there are advantates being a coach who has not having played the game

Geez SydneyD. Should i have told my Geography teacher to stfu when at high school because he'd never been to Algeria? Sort of makes all books and second hand stories obsolete doesn't it?

For many years i've thought many of our players (rightly or wrongly) suffer from being mentally weak in crunch games. If B McC, as a teacher and motivater, can get into their headspace and change their thought patterns then i'm all for him.

Yet to hear a qualified voice speak ill of him.

My final post on the matter-i wamt to take issue with a few of the posts here

You say our players are mentally weak in crunch games -that is just rubbish -i stand by my earlier comments -if we had Wayne Carey at CHF in last 5 years i say we have 2 or 3 p/cups in the trophy cabinet. I went to 2009 PF -for the 1st 20 minutes of last quater the ball was stuck in our forward line -Carey at chf -5 goal win.In 2008 the Max Rooke Brad Johnson incident -what was there 2 or 3 goals in game -Carey at chf -another certain win.

I agree with McCARTNEY-theres not much wrong with our club-weve had 1 crook year in about 6 -come pretty close and played some attractive football

Someone else said its been 55 years -as a long time suppoter let me say this -from the late 60s to the late 80s if you didnt have money you had no hope -and we along with Geelong and Melbourne and STKILDA etc didnt have any money -so you had no hope -so you can totally ignore that period . We had to sell Quinlan Dennis Collins etc just to keep the doors open etc.

yOU would think we had a playing track record like Freo how some supporters carry on-weve had one down year -alot of clubs do that are having a few near missesd

[The Underdog]

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My final post on the matter-i wamt to take issue with a few of the posts here

You say our players are mentally weak in crunch games -that is just rubbish -i stand by my earlier comments -if we had Wayne Carey at CHF in last 5 years i say we have 2 or 3 p/cups in the trophy cabinet. I went to 2009 PF -for the 1st 20 minutes of last quater the ball was stuck in our forward line -Carey at chf -5 goal win.In 2008 the Max Rooke Brad Johnson incident -what was there 2 or 3 goals in game -Carey at chf -another certain win.

I thought you were talking about having Carey as coach.

[Bornadog]

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My final post on the matter-i wamt to take issue with a few of the posts here

You say our players are mentally weak in crunch games -that is just rubbish -i stand by my earlier comments -if we had Wayne Carey at CHF in last 5 years i say we have 2 or 3 p/cups in the trophy cabinet. I went to 2009 PF -for the 1st 20 minutes of last quater the ball was stuck in our forward line -Carey at chf -5 goal win.In 2008 the Max Rooke Brad Johnson incident -what was there 2 or 3 goals in game -Carey at chf -another certain win.

I agree with McCARTNEY-theres not much wrong with our club-weve had 1 crook year in about 6 -come pretty close and played some attractive football

Someone else said its been 55 years -as a long time suppoter let me say this -from the late 60s to the late 80s if you didnt have money you had no hope -and we along with Geelong and Melbourne and STKILDA etc didnt have any money -so you had no hope -so you can totally ignore that period . We had to sell Quinlan Dennis Collins etc just to keep the doors open etc.

yOU would think we had a playing track record like Freo how some supporters carry on-weve had one down year -alot of clubs do that are having a few near missesd

McCartney may not have played AFL, but he certainly had athletic ability as he played FOOTBALL. There could be all sorts of reasons why he didn't make the elite level as a player. As a coach and assistant his track record is second to none.

[LostDoggy]

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

We'd probably have won 4 cups in the last ten years if we had Judd, Hall, Buckley, Scarlett, Hird and a few others also.

[G-Mo77]

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If a player doesn't respond to a coach simply because he hasn't played the game at the highest level then its a cop out by that player & says more about them as a person/sportsman than the coach.

Agree with this, it's an easy open spot on the list if this attitude rears it's ugly head.

[LostDoggy]

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Talking to some Essendon mates today and they're spewing that they lost him.

Also listening to all the new coaches on the radio over the last few days and ours seemed to speak much better than the other 2 who appeared nervous and rehearsed.
Not that we should judge a coach just on this but it just gave me a good feeling about him.

Love the appointment.

[mjp]

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The debate about having played and having not 'played' is of obvious interest to me - as someone who never played (state league was it and not exactly a 'legend'!) and now who coaches players with a lot more ability than I ever had - numerous draft picks and several top tenner's...I have also spent time coaching guys on AFL lists and and coaching alongside people with AFL playing experience.

There are elements of playing AFL footy that I simply cannot help with - I simply have not EXPERIENCED them. That is the simple truth. I don't know what it is like first hand because I have not played...but I know I haven't played and the players know I haven't played - so it never really becomes an issue.

What I can tell you is that just because you have played, it doesn't mean you have a better understanding of the game, that you are a better communicator or that you are a better coach. I mean - if everything else is even, then the guy who has played will have an edge - he has experience and knowledge that the 'other guy' doesn't - but it isn't the be all and end all.

I am not phased either way by the McCartney appointment. Like I said in another thread, I have met him a few times and he is a nice bloke and VERY passionate presenter - but I really have no idea what he is like as a coach. From listening to him though, I am confident he wont be caught short by a lack of preparation/work - he knows this is his one shot at the ring and he will want to make sure he puts every ounce of effort into grabbing hold of it.

[Go_Dogs]

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Great post mjp.

[MrMahatma]

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I think it's a non-issue. He's got the best out of blokes like Ablett, Bartell. Hurley. He has a proven track record as a coach. That's what the players will be thinking about.

I think his CV speaks for itself. Succesful coach. Which is what we've employed him to do.

[Mantis]

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I think it's a non-issue. He's got the best out of blokes like Ablett, Bartell. Hurley. He has a proven track record as a coach. That's what the players will be thinking about.

I think his CV speaks for itself. Succesful coach. Which is what we've employed him to do.

Being an assistant coach and a head coach are 2 very different things.

He has been part of some succesful programs, but I would think the job of main man is very different to being a team member.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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The debate about having played and having not 'played' is of obvious interest to me - as someone who never played (state league was it and not exactly a 'legend'!) and now who coaches players with a lot more ability than I ever had - numerous draft picks and several top tenner's...I have also spent time coaching guys on AFL lists and and coaching alongside people with AFL playing experience.

There are elements of playing AFL footy that I simply cannot help with - I simply have not EXPERIENCED them. That is the simple truth. I don't know what it is like first hand because I have not played...but I know I haven't played and the players know I haven't played - so it never really becomes an issue.

What I can tell you is that just because you have played, it doesn't mean you have a better understanding of the game, that you are a better communicator or that you are a better coach. I mean - if everything else is even, then the guy who has played will have an edge - he has experience and knowledge that the 'other guy' doesn't - but it isn't the be all and end all.

I am not phased either way by the McCartney appointment. Like I said in another thread, I have met him a few times and he is a nice bloke and VERY passionate presenter - but I really have no idea what he is like as a coach. From listening to him though, I am confident he wont be caught short by a lack of preparation/work - he knows this is his one shot at the ring and he will want to make sure he puts every ounce of effort into grabbing hold of it.

I agree. Recent appointments in Chris Scott, Neeld, Sanderson and McCartney have all come from successful club environments which seems to be the trend at the moment. The only doubt on BMcC is the fact that he hasn't played at the highest level which shouldn't be a deterrant.
The main criteria today is IMO how to successfully manage people and to be relational which apparently is one of Brendan's strengths. I like the fact that he has diligently served a long apprenticeship and has been highly respected wherever he has served. Big names over many years in Whitten, Rose, Hart, Joyce, Wallace and Eade hasn't brought us a flag.
Just maybe this approach might work. We have nothing to lose.