Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

[ledge]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Wallis has been a high profile youngster during since he was a junior and he is an impressive speaker. Not sure if it will translate to a leadership role somewhere down the track but he has the right attributes. At the moment his biggest challenge is establishing himself as a senior footballer.

Just backing up a point players are seen as leaders very early even before getting games.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

While we are at it Queen Elizabeth, Barrack Obama and Michael Clarke also show good leadership qualities.
My point was they need to get a game first.

[ledge]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

While we are at it Queen Elizabeth, Barrack Obama and Michael Clarke also show good leadership qualities.
My point was they need to get a game first.

Haha did he get Aussie citizenship?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

We're off topic aren't we?

[AndrewP6]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

While we are at it Queen Elizabeth, Barrack Obama and Michael Clarke also show good leadership qualities.
My point was they need to get a game first.

I'm not sure she'd have the tank to run out a game. Prince Phillip would make an entertaining commentator though.

[GVGjr]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Just backing up a point players are seen as leaders very early even before getting games.

And if the have that attribute or potential there is no reason why it shouldn't be mentioned. No body picks a player just because they have that attribute it's just an extra observation.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Most of us would agree, but our lack of small defenders forces us to use him in this role more than we should.... And especially last year when we had quite a few injuries to contend with down back.

I think we need to focus on developing players for certain roles, rather than robbing peter to pay paul. We should be playing our players in their best positions; let us try and find somebody else to cover an area of need. Especially for this upcoming season, where it's mainly about development.

As for who that could be? Maybe a Djerrkura type, maybe Moles. Smith and Wallis as unlikely outsiders.

The way I see our back half shaping up:

First picked = Morris, Lake, Hargrave, Williams, Murphy, Wood
Next in line = Gilbee, Veszpremi (swingman), Moles, Djerrkura, Markovic (KPP), Talia (KPP)

It's not ideal, and this is where the loss of Schofield hurts, but we need to try and find a few defenders. Howard and Tutt are better suited to midfield roles, so maybe Wallis (for example) will benefit in learning the game from the half back line. Veszpremi is a wild card and should be a swingman IMO, whilst Moles is a player I'd like to see off the HB.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

It's not ideal, and this is where the loss of Schofield hurts, but we need to try and find a few defenders. Howard and Tutt are better suited to midfield roles, so maybe Wallis (for example) will benefit in learning the game from the half back line. Veszpremi is a wild card and should be a swingman IMO, whilst Moles is a player I'd like to see off the HB.

I agree with alot of your post but I'm not sure where Veszpremi becomes a swingman? He looked good of the backline in the interclub but that's the first I've seen him look like he might actually reach AFL standard and be a 50 game player. Howard has played much of his footy out of half-back to my understanding and assuming Tutt or Sherman handle Griff's other wing then I think Murph's opposite half-back flank will be Howard or Gilbee. Hope Veszproves me wrong but I think he's still more VFL than AFL at the moment. Maybe he's massively improved his tank in the offseason though? Totally concur lets find a players best position and let him develop there for a period. I note no Addision on your list but he's almost a veteran for us now and I suspect will get games in the back 6 also?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

I agree with alot of your post but I'm not sure where Veszpremi becomes a swingman? He looked good of the backline in the interclub but that's the first I've seen him look like he might actually reach AFL standard and be a 50 game player. Howard has played much of his footy out of half-back to my understanding and assuming Tutt or Sherman handle Griff's other wing then I think Murph's opposite half-back flank will be Howard or Gilbee. Hope Veszproves me wrong but I think he's still more VFL than AFL at the moment. Maybe he's massively improved his tank in the offseason though? Totally concur lets find a players best position and let him develop there for a period. I note no Addision on your list but he's almost a veteran for us now and I suspect will get games in the back 6 also?

Veszpremi should be a swingman because he's a natural forward and can kick goals -- he's done this at AFL level with both Sydney and us, despite limited appearances. Most conceed he has a lot of talent, it's his work rate and possibly mental strength that he needs/needed to improve. Time will tell on that front, but the coaching staff have been planning for him to play across half back.

Howard has been trained for the wing. This has been confirmed by him and one of the assistant coaches, I believe. He had been played as a defender up until this pre-season, but he's just not a defender.

On Addison, I left him out because I don't think we should be playing him unless we've got a number of injuries. For mine, he's had a long time to cement a position, but hasn't improved at all.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Veszpremi should be a swingman because he's a natural forward and can kick goals -- he's done this at AFL level with both Sydney and us, despite limited appearances. Most conceed he has a lot of talent, it's his work rate and possibly mental strength that he needs/needed to improve. Time will tell on that front, but the coaching staff have been planning for him to play across half back..

He is yet to prove he is good enough for AFL. I hope he gets his opportunity as there are some good signs.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Veszpremi should be a swingman because he's a natural forward and can kick goals -- he's done this at AFL level with both Sydney and us, despite limited appearances. Most conceed he has a lot of talent, it's his work rate and possibly mental strength that he needs/needed to improve. Time will tell on that front, but the coaching staff have been planning for him to play across half back.

Howard has been trained for the wing. This has been confirmed by him and one of the assistant coaches, I believe. He had been played as a defender up until this pre-season, but he's just not a defender.

On Addison, I left him out because I don't think we should be playing him unless we've got a number of injuries. For mine, he's had a long time to cement a position, but hasn't improved at all.

Addison is our Eker par excellance isn't he? But I wonder what the new coach will make of him. He certainly has the attributes of toughness and love of a contest the new coach is after.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

I find it interesting that most people seem to see Addison as this tough as nails contested ball machine, I wonder do those same people notice that he rarely wins the ball in contested situations and often comes up second best...

Should have been delisted.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Bulldog Intraclub Clash - 11 February 2012

Should have been delisted.

He looked ok in the Collingwood last night match and got a mention in the press conference. I've never been a big fan but think the new coach will suit him / develop him. Let's hope so because we are stuck with him for this season.