Match Committee- Round 12 vs Port Adelaide

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Match Committee- Round 12 vs Port Adelaide

I'm with you. I think Roberts is having a good season and looks a likely player, but I don't think we need to rush him in this year. Maybe give him a taste towards the end of the season, but next year with a full preseason I think he can push for games. He seems to have a frame you can really build on, in a couple of years time he could be a monster.

There was actually people criticising his selection because he was too skinny, you have to wonder where that sort of garbage comes from sometimes.

I liked the selection but I remember commenting on how skinny he was. I certainly didn't expect him to be in contention for a senior game this year.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 12 vs Port Adelaide

Do you think he cares?

We drafted him specifically with the view of developing him as a defender and from the few times I saw him play my question marks on him were around if he wasn't good enough on the lead to become an AFL forward. At 193cm IMO he wasn't going to be able to take those type of marks in the clip you added at the senior level.

Quiz questions (drumroll )

How tall are the current AFL forwards.

1.Le Cras?
2.Gia?
3.Higgins?
4. Josh Hill?

Answers
1. 185
2.182
3. 184
4. 186

How can you say players don't care where they play? Of course they won't say it, but everyone has a preferred position on field.

[GVGjr]

Re: Match Committee- Round 12 vs Port Adelaide

Quiz questions (drumroll )

How tall are the current AFL forwards.

1.Le Cras?
2.Gia?
3.Higgins?
4. Josh Hill?

Answers
1. 185
2.182
3. 184
4. 186

How can you say players don't care where they play? Of course they won't say it, but everyone has a preferred position on field.

And listing some other players heights is the response to what I have written? I don't see the relevance. I said Roberts wasn't going to be able to take the type of marks he did in the clip that you added and you have hardly changed my view of that. He needs to be able to take some marks on a lead and he won't be able to consistently just pluck some marks over the top of AFL senior players like he was in that YT clip.

If it wasn't for Schofield leaving us Roberts was going to be a rookie player so we took him in the pre-season draft because we had one additional spot to fill He would be as happy as he could just to make the senior list and he wouldn't care less where he gets his first senior game. No I don't think he would care where he is being played. After he has played 40 or 50 games he might start to want to be played in a specific position but at the moment it's all about getting a game or two anywhere he can be fitted in.

[Ghost Dog]

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And listing some other players heights is the response to what I have written? I don't see the relevance. I said Roberts wasn't going to be able to take the type of marks he did in the clip that you added and you have hardly changed my view of that. He needs to be able to take some marks on a lead and he won't be able to consistently just pluck some marks over the top of AFL senior players like he was in that YT clip.

If it wasn't for Schofield leaving us Roberts was going to be a rookie player so we took him in the pre-season draft because we had one additional spot to fill He would be as happy as he could just to make the senior list and he wouldn't care less where he gets his first senior game. No I don't think he would care where he is being played. After he has played 40 or 50 games he might start to want to be played in a specific position but at the moment it's all about getting a game or two anywhere he can be fitted in.

It was said that he was too short to take grabs above the head so yes, the height of above players disproves that. Just disagree. Take the Melbourne Collingwood game yesterday. Lots of players that short or shorter taking high grabs across the ground. A hunch and that only; the handfull of games played show a young bloke with a good footy brain, speed great balance,poise, nice kicking action both sides and has put on good weight in the last 12 months. Then also, something else yet that's hard to define.

Listening to where players enjoy playing is good coaching. will be an excellent backman as well; Good place to cut his teeth. Our ability to score, on the other hand, haunts us.

[GVGjr]

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It was said that he was too short to take grabs above the head so yes, the height of above players disproves that. Just disagree. Take the Melbourne Collingwood game yesterday. Lots of players that short or shorter taking high grabs across the ground. A hunch and that only; the handfull of games played show a young bloke with a good footy brain, speed great balance,poise, nice kicking action both sides and has put on good weight in the last 12 months. Then also, something else yet that's hard to define.

Listening to where players enjoy playing is good coaching. will be an excellent backman as well; Good place to cut his teeth. Our ability to score, on the other hand, haunts us.

You seem to create arguments to suit your views but I think they are just urguments not fact based at all. I never said that he was too short to take marks, that's how you obviously chose to read it to suit your argument, what I said was the he was too short to consistently take the type of marks at the senior level the YT clip highlighted by playing from behind.
He isn't the most athletic of guys either and his Draft Combine results support that. Again that is fact based.

He's a good young prospect and learning how to play football in a variety of positions should be seen as a positive but while you want everything written about the players by everyone here to be ultra positive some of us are also capable of acknowledging flaws in players game in a non negative manner.

[Ghost Dog]

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You seem to create arguments to suit your views but I think they are just urguments not fact based at all. I never said that he was too short to take marks, that's how you obviously chose to read it to suit your argument, what I said was the he was too short to consistently take the type of marks at the senior level the YT clip highlighted by playing from behind.
He isn't the most athletic of guys either and his Draft Combine results support that. Again that is fact based.

He's a good young prospect and learning how to play football in a variety of positions should be seen as a positive but while you want everything written about the players by everyone here to be ultra positive some of us are also capable of acknowledging flaws in players game in a non negative manner.

I think this part is a bit unfair and now you are playing the man.
I didn't say it to suit my argument. You said he was too short to take 'those' sort of marks in the video. Which I don't think is true. I'm talking about his ability to read the ball and kick goals. His tank will come in time.
Am I not allowed to express a view?
I think the second part here is also not correct as I have criticized aspects of players games in the past. See my views on Hill, Higgins, Gia, and others.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I think this part is a bit unfair and now you are playing the man.
I didn't say it to suit my argument. You said he was too short to take 'those' sort of marks in the video. Which I don't think is true. I'm talking about his ability to read the ball and kick goals. His tank will come in time.
Am I not allowed to express a view?
I think the second part here is also not correct as I have criticized aspects of players games in the past. See my views on Hill, Higgins, Gia, and others.

OK, GD. Time to put up.

We have activated the Reid compo pick so we intend to use at least 5 draft picks (possibly even 6 if Hunter is rated 4th round).

Jong, Johannesen, Campbell and Austin are all upgrade possibilities.


How many do you upgrade and who gets delisted?

[Ghost Dog]

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OK, GD. Time to put up.

We have activated the Reid compo pick so we intend to use at least 5 draft picks (possibly even 6 if Hunter is rated 4th round).

Jong, Johannesen, Campbell and Austin are all upgrade possibilities.


How many do you upgrade and who gets delisted?

I'm on to it. Give me a sec to get back to you on that one.

Wouldn't be surprised if Jong gets upgraded as he has the 'hard at it' ethos the coach loves. But his decision making needs so much work I can't see him making it. So far I've seen one of his games at a ground and two on TV.

[azabob]

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We have activated the Reid compo pick so we intend to use at least 5 draft picks (possibly even 6 if Hunter is rated 4th round).

Jong, Johannesen, Campbell and Austin are all upgrade possibilities.


How many do you upgrade and who gets delisted?

5 selections. That is a lot considering we have quite a few very early on.

We have two first round picks, a second round pick, and the Ried pick which is either a 2nd or 3rd round, I can't recall. Again all this depends on how the rookies on players on the cusp of being delisted perform for the remainder of the season.

Either way none of the players above are worthy of a first, second or third round pick especially considering our current ladder position. (Which may or may not improve)

The more I think about it, we will be active in the trade period either in the "under 17's draft mini draft" or a ready made player.

[soupman]

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The more I think about it, we will be active in the trade period either in the "under 17's draft mini draft" or a ready made player.

This is actually a very good point and one I haven't seen discussed here much. Could we make a play for one of the 17 year olds available? Who are they and is this our chance to secure a gun player, and also saves his spot for next season.

Also are GWS allowed to pre-list and then trade mature agers again this season?

[azabob]

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This is actually a very good point and one I haven't seen discussed here much. Could we make a play for one of the 17 year olds available? Who are they and is this our chance to secure a gun player, and also saves his spot for next season.

Also are GWS allowed to pre-list and then trade mature agers again this season?

On the 17 year olds not sure who they are, I do know like last year there is only 2 available.

[GVGjr]

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I think this part is a bit unfair and now you are playing the man.
I didn't say it to suit my argument. You said he was too short to take 'those' sort of marks in the video. Which I don't think is true. I'm talking about his ability to read the ball and kick goals. His tank will come in time.
Am I not allowed to express a view?
I think the second part here is also not correct as I have criticized aspects of players games in the past. See my views on Hill, Higgins, Gia, and others.

Roberts was simply too tall for his opponents on the YT clip you added. He plucked the marks from behind with little to no body contact on him which of course won't happen at the senior level and by the way this is not an issue about his tank.
I don't know of many AFL forwards who can consistently kick goals by playing from behind. Most get there by wrestling their way to the front of their opponent or by beating them on the lead. These are simply not traits that Roberts exhibited as a forward in the junior level. The answer the club decided to explore is to use him as a defender where he will simply have to learn to get in front and be prepared to wrestle with his opponents or run the risk of having multiple goals kicked on him. I think the club has done a good job at developing him.

As for the accusations of me playing the man not the ball and if you are not allowed to express a view to me you couldn't be further off the mark.

[GVGjr]

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How can you say players don't care where they play? Of course they won't say it, but everyone has a preferred position on field.

Just on this point, I was a player sponsor of Callan Ward for four years and we used to have some good conversations especially at the players sponsors night. I never once got the impression from him that he was telling me anything other than the truth.

Year 1) Ward had been displaying some good form for Williamstown but hadn't made his debut. On the night (Bornadog can confirm) we talked about him making his senior debut.
My question about where he might play received a typically succinct response, "I don't care they can play me anywhere because I just want to play"

Year 2) Ward was going through a bit of a bad patch and was struggling to hold his spot where I posed a similar question to the previous year "Where do you think you might perform best?" His response was something along the lines of "I'm not sure, wherever they need me" I added a suggestion that players struggling with some form can sometimes run themselves back into it by being played as a defender and having just one opponent to beat. He was very open to that suggestion in fact he mentioned how much he enjoyed playing in the back half as a junior for the Jets. Again he just wanted to play and didn't really care where.

Year 3) Ward was now a regular player and gaining some confidence and thought his best position was in the midfield.

I rate Ward as a typical youngster who from year one would have done anything he was asked to by the coach and it wasn't until his 3rd year he felt confident that he could put his hand up for specific roles within the side.

I see no reason to think Roberts has a preference to play in any position until he establishes himself as a senior footballer within the side. The vast majority of youngsters just want to play and don't care where the coach plays them.

[Ghost Dog]

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Just on this point, I was a player sponsor of Callan Ward for four years and we used to have some good conversations especially at the players sponsors night. I never once got the impression from him that he was telling me anything other than the truth.
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That's a good story and thanks for that. Different players say different things I guess, and he was always going to be a midfielder at the end of the day. But as you hint at, the best thing is to have multi position, unselfish players in the modern game.

[SlimPickens]

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Ok my selections for this weeks game

In: Jones- Performance at Willy warrants selection and our best option at CHF IMO.
DJ- Forward pressure has been missed.

Out: Pearce
Roughead- Team balance