Match Committee- Round 14 vs Essendon

[Desipura]

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Is Minson going to be the first ruck when we have our next tilt? I highly doubt it. May as well see what Campbell can offer.

Campbell proved on the weekend his a pretty good tap ruckmen.

Maybe they could split it 50/50.

I hope Minson continues his good form. We should look at trading one of 4 ruckman on our list to put us in a strong position come trade and draft time.
Roughy, Cordy and Campbell are in the early 20's. I expect at the very least one of them will forge a long and successful career with us.

Minson at 27yo is in his prime and what he has produced this year has been very good, I highly doubt that he could take his game to a higher level.
Given how much BMac likes the way Campbell goes about it, I am almost certain he will be elevated onto the senior list at seasons end.
I would think we could get clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong, St Kilda and Collingwood fighting over Minsons services, which would increase his trade value.

Given he is out of contract at seasons end, I would offer Minson a reasonable contract and if a club offers a lot more, I would hope we can trade with that club.
The club interested in Minson would want to deal with us rather than taking a punt on Minson being available at their pick.

[Missing Dog]

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Gia Out for 4 weeks Grant to come in?

[azabob]

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Gia Out for 4 weeks Grant to come in?

Where is that reported?

[Desipura]

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Gia Out for 4 weeks Grant to come in?

You can see his body is failing him, would not be surprised if he gets a send off game at seasons end, he deserves this at the very least.

[Missing Dog]

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Club website

[LostDoggy]

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If we were to drop every player by that criterion, we would be very lucky to have 22 players to field a team at all.
It will likely be 3 years at best, maybe 5 before our next shot, very few of the current senior team will still be up to the task by then.

Who said anything about dropping Minson?

Just suggestion we give Campbell a decent run at it. See what he has to offer.

Wouldn't hurt giving Minson a go down forward, the forward line isn't exactly setting the world on fire, a change wouldn't hurt.

[chef]

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Apparently Gia's out for a month with foot stress fractures.

[Hotdog60]

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Could open a door for Panos.

[Rocco Jones]

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Apparently Gia's out for a month with foot stress fractures.

I hate the Gia bashers and while he isn't perfect, I have long defended him and rated his contributions to the team. This season is different as it seems like the wheels have really fallen off. I truly hate saying this but I feel as if the injury is 'good' for the team. Fair enough if anyone bags me for it, probably shouldn't say it.

Posters are saying we have one too many rucks with Roughy and Ayce (I know Ayce is seen as a pure forward by B-Mac) but I think it borders on two too many with Jones. If we had a decent power forward I feel as if Jones would benefit as a part time/2nd ruck option (I know I love it). He goes missing for massive parts of the game, along with his goal kicking his confidence is easily dented. He is a physical kid. I feel having a couple of spells in the ruck can give a player the feel that he is at least contributing. Easier to be physically competitive for a bit in the ruck than to clunk marks and score goals. Perfect alongisde a pure ruck like Minson.

So basically we have...
Will Minson= out and out ruck, struggles up forward. With his change to the #1 ruck role this season we see what a massive difference it makes.

Campbell= I think he is more of an out and out ruck than the other kids. I don't feel like he will suit the 2nd ruck role but it's not like Roughy and Ayce do much forward. We might as well give him a crack.

Roughy= not sure what to make of him. Not ready for #1 ruck role and the two above are well ahead anyway. Think he is at least a bit off being in the side as a pure key-defender and a combo of not clunking enough marks and his goal kicking means he doesn't add enough value forward.

Cordy= rate him a bit more than Roughy forward but just doesn't do enough.

Jones= already explained.

So basically Minson, really rate his ruck work this season. Need a 2nd ruck who can play elsewhere. Even though I don't really rate the short term (or even long term development of 'just playing) we need to play a tall forward as it suits our just kick it long style as well as our small forward not being much chop anyway.

Love Addison's endeavour but he simply isn't good enough a 'glove' to cover for his other defencies. I feel as if he is only there to make a statement that you get a game if you work hard no matter what.

IN: Minson, DJ, Shaggy, Vez, Sherman
OUT: Roughead, Jones, Gia, Addison, Smith (just to get some game time into him after being a sub a few times)

[azabob]

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RJ, so you are going with the same amount of bigmen? By reading your post I thought you would drop Campbell, Cordy and Roughead but you only drop Rough for Minson?

If you don't support your own theory (Minson & Jones) as ruckman who will??

[azabob]

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A few posters are wanting Hargrave back in, he hasn't played for 3 weeks now, I wonder what his injury really is?

[Rocco Jones]

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RJ, so you are going with the same amount of bigmen? By reading your post I thought you would drop Campbell, Cordy and Roughead but you only drop Rough for Minson?

If you don't support your own theory (Minson & Jones) as ruckman who will??

Am I? I said Roughy and Jones out and only Minson as a big man in.

[LostDoggy]

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If we had a decent power forward I feel as if Jones would benefit as a part time/2nd ruck option (I know I love it). He goes missing for massive parts of the game, along with his goal kicking his confidence is easily dented. He is a physical kid. I feel having a couple of spells in the ruck can give a player the feel that he is at least contributing. Easier to be physically competitive for a bit in the ruck than to clunk marks and score goals. Perfect alongisde a pure ruck like Minson.

Thoughtful post, Rocco, but I have to disagree with your take (above) on LJ being 'a physical kid' and that it is 'easier to be physically competitive for a bit in the ruck than to clunk marks and score goals'. Contrary to your take, I fear that at the moment Liam is lacking a bit in the physical side of his game - often he is not behind the ball at the contest. Perhaps it is a confidence thing or just a bad habit, but either way, getting the opposition's #1 ruckman's knee in your ribs isn't going to help much to improve it. I think he needs to go back to Willy, work on his presence and his presentation at the ball - that is, really impress himself on a good couple of VFL games - and then come back and do the same in the ones. (Matty Panos would have to do similar to get any sort of look-in).

Ayce is in similar territory, I reckon. Lots of skill, just an almost complete lack of mongrel.

It was interesting to note the presence Browny had on the ground the other day. Hally had it - it's that swagger that says you're 'the big dog'. I reckon Campbell's got it, too; saw a bit of it against Huddo in the game, and its evident in the NAB Cup footage on the website. We could have done with a bit more of it across the board on Saturday. It's the major reason we need Big Will back in the centre, getting a chop-out from the rookie mongrel. And Roughie playing a more pure KP role - either FF or even CHB.

Out: Jones, Cordy, Addison
In: Minson, DJ, Sherman

[Rocco Jones]

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Thoughtful post, Rocco, but I have to disagree with your take (above) on LJ being 'a physical kid' and that it is 'easier to be physically competitive for a bit in the ruck than to clunk marks and score goals'. Contrary to your take, I fear that at the moment Liam is lacking a bit in the physical side of his game - often he is not behind the ball at the contest. Perhaps it is a confidence thing or just a bad habit, but either way, getting the opposition's #1 ruckman's knee in your ribs isn't going to help much to improve it. I think he needs to go back to Willy, work on his presence and his presentation at the ball - that is, really impress himself on a good couple of VFL games - and then come back and do the same in the ones. (Matty Panos would have to do similar to get any sort of look-in).

Ayce is in similar territory, I reckon. Lots of skill, just an almost complete lack of mongrel.

It was interesting to note the presence Browny had on the ground the other day. Hally had it - it's that swagger that says you're 'the big dog'. I reckon Campbell's got it, too; saw a bit of it against Huddo in the game, and its evident in the NAB Cup footage on the website. We could have done with a bit more of it across the board on Saturday. It's the major reason we need Big Will back in the centre, getting a chop-out from the rookie mongrel. And Roughie playing a more pure KP role - either FF or even CHB.

Out: Jones, Cordy, Addison
In: Minson, DJ, Sherman

I actually agree with that.

I think I was overselling my point, just mean that at least in the ruck you can get near the action. Jones just has such massive patches of offering little, could help with With our set up its no chance either way as we need to play at least one of Campbell, Ayce or Roughy.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I hope Minson continues his good form. We should look at trading one of 4 ruckman on our list to put us in a strong position come trade and draft time.
Roughy, Cordy and Campbell are in the early 20's. I expect at the very least one of them will forge a long and successful career with us.

Minson at 27yo is in his prime and what he has produced this year has been very good, I highly doubt that he could take his game to a higher level.
Given how much BMac likes the way Campbell goes about it, I am almost certain he will be elevated onto the senior list at seasons end.
I would think we could get clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong, St Kilda and Collingwood fighting over Minsons services, which would increase his trade value.

Given he is out of contract at seasons end, I would offer Minson a reasonable contract and if a club offers a lot more, I would hope we can trade with that club.
The club interested in Minson would want to deal with us rather than taking a punt on Minson being available at their pick.

Minson is an unrestricted free agent. Rather than trade him, all we could do is watch him walk away. The AFL would give us a 3rd rounder as compensation, though.