Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

[chef]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Not surprised. Both come across as 'lads' rather than leaders. Not a reflection of my view on their coaching, just an observation on their personalities.

They were both pretty strong leaders at the clubs they played for.

[Danny the snakeman]

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Maybe Macca can put some cones out on Etihad for the next game?

Why not he had 18 witches hats on the field today.

[AndrewP6]

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Can't agree with you here. U9 have a zonal field to prevent them converging on the ball. Maybe Macca can put some cones out on Etihad for the next game?

I could be mean and say "That's the role he's best equipped to perform" but I won't

[GVGjr]

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They were both pretty strong leaders at the clubs they played for.

They certainly were. I'm not sure they have been as strong leaders or role models since they finished playing their football though.


I'm sure they both have plenty to offer but I'd obviously like us to have a stronger number 2. It will be interesting to see if Montgomery gets another contract with us.

[LostDoggy]

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Watching the game on TV back in Adelaide. The first qtr was really upsetting (the fact no one stepped in to challenge the avalanche that was taking place, especially after the Brisbane, Sydney games was painful). After that I watched closer to see who actually attempted to change this. I'd just like to give a massive hand to Tom Liberatore. He showed so much care to want to lift the team. I got a little firm when he nailed that goal from outside 50, didn't know it was in his DNA. He stepped in and appeared to me as if he wasn't going to stand for getting embarrassed like this (future leader inked all over him). Thought Lukey was great, just through shear desire to pressure and get the ball back created half our goals. Was really pleased with Clay's 3rd in particular, apart from the missed goal from the top of the goal square, it was exciting.

There's been thoughts that everyone's voiced that I've agreed with as well. I just couldn't bring myself to write about it.

Just watched the post match presser then. Macca is so good. I know people now are worrying about and questioning what we stand for and that's fair enough. I just think he's class! He admitted and said basically everything that we feel and talk about and from what I see he knows exactly whats going to happen in the coming years and how he's going to do it. This however does not make it any easier to watch games like last night. Aside from St.k and then Sydney games, the competitiveness was there in the first half of the year. Apart from a Port game dedicated to the great man, it's been lacking since. Looking forward to the response from here from here until the end of the year.

[Desipura]

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We are talking about Grant as a coach not a recruiter.
I don't believe Grant nor King exhibit on the type of character we want in coaches and when I have seen them at VFL games they clearly aren't focused on the game. I don't think they have yet made the transition from player to genuine coaches and are at best career assistant coaches. We should want better than that.
Montgomery just hasn't added a lot to us.

Fair enough about Grant. A lady at work who is a mad Nth supporter when to see Nth last week and took a photo of Grant and her daughter who was drinking with her and mucking around.
Apparently he was at the game as part of his work on the opposition.

[Remi Moses]

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Massive wraps on Matthew Egan.

[Rocco Jones]

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I've mentioned this elsewhere but if there was a standard between VFL and AFL we would be premiers almost every year. We have so many players on our list, both drafted in and traded for, that are inconsistent/non-contributors at the highest level but dominate the next level down. We have precious few genuine impact players at AFL level and a plethora of foot-soldier types who can occasionally play a role but regularly are found wanting against the better teams in the competition. Apart from Hudson and Akermanis (and Hall for a shorter time), the players we've traded in pretty much since the Wallace era have not had any sustained impact nor have they improved problem areas on our list. We invariably select fringe types from other clubs for low output that end up being list cloggers and never actually improve our list, and on the one occasion we went high profile, it was a disaster with Rawlings (because it was extremely poorly researched).

Our list required major surgery in so many areas. Jason McCartney has a mountain of work in front of him.

Agree.

The high amount of these foot solidiers also skews our benchmark for being delisted. Hard to delist players when there are another 5 or so at the same level with a bit of false hope. I think we have been like hoarders over the last few years, keeping anyone with hope.

I think we really need to cut deep. Guys like Vez, Panos and DJ all promise a bit but in reality, I think they were be at the very best short term serviceable types. Moles has survived for awhile with the same 'promise'.

[Eastdog]

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Takes more than just recruiting players, you need to be able to develop them too. This is where we fall down.

Absolutely chef that is vital the development of the recruits otherwise it is a waste.

[Bornadog]

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Agree.

The high amount of these foot solidiers also skews our benchmark for being delisted. Hard to delist players when there are another 5 or so at the same level with a bit of false hope. I think we have been like hoarders over the last few years, keeping anyone with hope.

I think we really need to cut deep. Guys like Vez, Panos and DJ all promise a bit but in reality, I think they were be at the very best short term serviceable types. Moles has survived for awhile with the same 'promise'.

Bit harsh on Panos, he is a 21 year old that has just been promoted. I agree we need to replace Vez, DJ, Moles, say goodbye to Gilbee, Hargrave, Hooper, Mulligan, and if I had my way, Addison and perhaps Gia.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Interesting detailed post BB. I think you might have been a bit tough on Tutt. Played well at the end of last year then this year has been injured for most of the time. To early to tell whether it was a wasted pick in my opinion.

I can't disagree with that, I actually like Tutt as a player but I am not sure our coaching panel hold the same view. We haven't got nearly enough out of Howard and Tutt for third year players though, and this hurts us quite a bit. It's not as though they are developing and improving at the minute either -- Tutt has spent his time on the sidelines and in the VFL whilst Howard is still a big concern IMO.

I hope we bring Tutt into the side next week if he's fit -- need to pump games into him as quickly as possible. Maybe we can have practice matches mid week so he can get two in per week

[SonofScray]

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Bit harsh on Panos, he is a 21 year old that has just been promoted. I agree we need to replace Vez, DJ, Moles, say goodbye to Gilbee, Hargrave, Hooper, Mulligan, and if I had my way, Addison and perhaps Gia.

Agree. Would toss up between Vez and DJ, maybe add Cross in the mix (hard call to make). Keep Higgins and retire/trade/delist Gia.

[Sedat]

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Bit harsh on Panos, he is a 21 year old that has just been promoted.

Has any other club promoted so many unproven rookies to the senior list with as much gay abandon as we have in recent seasons? Mulligan, Hooper, Panos, Moles - between them, they wouldn't have cobbled together more than 5 servicable games at senior AFL level. Ridiculous list management. Promoting Dahlhaus, Harbrow and Picken were no-brainer calls, but the other 4 were awful decisions that have unnecessarily clogged our list and delayed the rebuild. Panos could have been re-rookied for another season this year - I wouldn't have had a problem with that. Looks like we'll be doing it again with Tom Campbell at the end of the season.

[chef]

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Has any other club promoted so many unproven rookies to the senior list with as much gay abandon as we have in recent seasons? Mulligan, Hooper, Panos, Moles - between them, they wouldn't have cobbled together more than 5 servicable games at senior AFL level. Ridiculous list management. Promoting Dahlhaus, Harbrow and Picken were no-brainer calls, but the other 4 were awful decisions that have unnecessarily clogged our list and delayed the rebuild. Panos could have been re-rookied for another season this year - I wouldn't have had a problem with that. Looks like we'll be doing it again with Tom Campbell at the end of the season.

And Austin.

[soupman]

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And Austin.

Austin is a different category. Someone who has established himself as a regular member of our best 22 before being promoted, like Picken, Boyd, Morris and Dahlhaus all did prior to their elevations.

Out of Panos, Hooper and Mulligan only Hooper had played a game (just 1) prior to his promotion, and in each case we could have kept them on the rookie list for no extra cost. Baffling.

I'm not keen on insta-promoting Campbell because while he looks good, we have a few ruckmen and he hasn't shown he's in our best 25 yet, and Jong and JJ are even further back. JJ however if he shows enough would need to be promoted this year, while I'm sure Jong could develop just as well as a rookie again.