Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

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  • always right
    WOOF Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 4189

    #46
    Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

    Originally posted by G-Mo77
    4. Libba
    3. Minson
    2. Dahlhaus
    1. Boyd

    2. Libba
    1. Dahlhaus

    In regards to the Boyd debate, the ones bagging him for poor ball usage usually give Griffen votes all the time so it's a bit hypocritical. I couldn't believe so many gave Griff best on honors last week after turning over nearly half of his 20 odd possessions.
    Shhhhhh
    I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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    • G-Mo77
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Apr 2007
      • 9876

      #47
      Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

      Originally posted by always right
      Shhhhhh
      Whoops sorry, should I give Griff 4 votes then.

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      • Mantis
        Hall of Fame
        • Apr 2007
        • 15448

        #48
        Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

        Originally posted by G-Mo77
        Whoops sorry, should I give Griff 4 votes then.
        Griffen cops the no.1 tag every week.

        Boyd stats up and lets his opponent run amok while we cop a pantsing.

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        • always right
          WOOF Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 4189

          #49
          Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

          Originally posted by Mantis
          Griffen cops the no.1 tag every week.

          Boyd stats up and lets his opponent run amok while we cop a pantsing.
          Perhaps...but he appears to be immune to any criticism on this board.
          I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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          • Sedat
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2007
            • 11248

            #50
            Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

            Originally posted by Ghost Dog
            He had a shot on goal or two from memory.
            And missed both of these very gettable shots very poorly - the comparison to his direct opponent on the night was stark, with Jobe Watson nailing all of his, far more difficult, goal scoring opportunities
            Originally posted by Ghost Dog
            Like Luke Ball, just a hard warrior. In a slow team, he can at times panic and overcompensate, with rushed kicks across the body that seem to go nowhere. Not the only senior player capable of that last night.
            This is a very good comparison. Luke Ball is aware of his limitations and never tries to exceed his capabilities. He plays a specific role in a well-oiled machine, clearing a path for the likes of Swan, Pendlebury and Thomas to hurt the opposition in space. I'm afraid Boydy often tries to exceed his capabilities and gets routinely smashed to pieces against the players he wants to emulate but are far superior to him - I'm talking the likes of Hayes, Ablett, Swan, Watson, etc... Luke Ball will never, ever try to go head to head with these guys because he knows he isn't capable of matching it with them - I wish Boydy would come to the same realisation and do the same and provide more defensive steel to our midfield structure, just as he did last year against Judd and was exceptional on the night.

            I was terribly disappointed in Boyd's game last night.
            "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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            • always right
              WOOF Member
              • Nov 2007
              • 4189

              #51
              Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

              On a separate matter.....stunned that The Age could not find a place in the best players for Dahlhaus. Seriously.
              I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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              • Sedat
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2007
                • 11248

                #52
                Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                How did you rate Campbell's game Sedat?
                Funnily enough, I just replied to one of your posts on him in the 'bankers and anchors' thread.
                "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #53
                  Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                  We all know Boyd's disposal isn't great. Fact is though he's the only one working hard enough to get 30+ disposals for us.

                  Sure we would love for Boyd to get 20 touches and dish the ball off to a more skilled player, problem is we have no skilled midfielders. Griffen who was our best has gone completely backwards with his disposal, I would rather have Boyd kick it.

                  What do people want him to do? Not get the footy 30+ times? Until some of our midfielders start working as hard as Boyd then this is what has to happen.

                  Boyd was easily in our best 4 players last night. Yes Watson beat his opponent in the first quarter, but so did 20 other Bombers players.

                  4 - Dahl
                  3 - Boyd
                  2 - Libba
                  1 - Minson

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                  • Doc26
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 3087

                    #54
                    Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                    Originally posted by Bumper Bulldogs
                    the future is looking Good, but short term we have nothing to look forward to.
                    BB, I hope you're right.

                    I keep hearing this line these days by so called media experts and feel its a let off for our current predicament.

                    Beyond only Dahlhaus, Libba, Wallis, maybe Roughead what other players make our future really look so bright, rather than hopeful ? Jones at a stretch but he's no Hurley and has many deficiencies to iron out to make it yet.

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                    • Sedat
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 11248

                      #55
                      Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                      Originally posted by Jaytee
                      What do people want him to do? Not get the footy 30+ times? Until some of our midfielders start working as hard as Boyd then this is what has to happen.
                      I'd take a 15 possession Boyd game every week if it meant that Hayes/Watson/Swan/Ablett, etc.. only get it 15-20 times and have no influence on the match, like Judd last year. FFS, Watson was the best and most influential player on the ground last night by a mile and he was Boyd's head-to-head direct match-up when the game was won, orchestrated by Watson.
                      "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #56
                        Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                        Originally posted by Sedat
                        I'd take a 15 possession Boyd game every week if it meant that the likes of Watson only get it 15-20 times and have no influence on the match, like Judd last year. FFS, Watson was the best and most influential player on the ground last night by a mile.
                        Boyd was only head to head with him for a quarter. Boyd had 10 touches himself in the first. Watson is just a far more superior player than Boyd. The form his in it's almost impossible to shut him down. Even Picken couldn't stop him last night.

                        If we had a damaging midfielder like a Pendlebury or Thomas then the head to head could work, problem is Boyd is the best we have.

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                        • G-Mo77
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9876

                          #57
                          Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                          Originally posted by Mantis
                          Griffen cops the no.1 tag every week.

                          Boyd stats up and lets his opponent run amok while we cop a pantsing.
                          So Griffen is under a lot of pressure with his disposals? Most of Boyd's are as well but Griff gets the leeway.

                          Hocking was tagging Griffen last night and he still got a lazy 25+ possessions, think he kicked a goal or two on top of that. Maybe Griffen should work on the defensive side of his game as well. For our best player he doesn't step up to the plate enough IMO.
                          Last edited by G-Mo77; 01-07-2012, 01:03 PM.

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                          • Rocco Jones
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 6932

                            #58
                            Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                            4- Dahl
                            3- Minson
                            2- Libba

                            Massive gap

                            1- Boyd


                            Interesting discussion re: Boyd that goes well beyond the votes.

                            When it comes to Boyd as a player, I am disappointed in how he played on Jobe when the game was up for grabs (all of about 15 mins!).

                            When it comes to the votes it was what you expect when a very good player goes up against an elite player in a loose match up.

                            IMO Boyd had what I consider a 5-6/10 game but up against the 9.5 that Jobe brings it looks terrible. Sadly for us last night, a 5 or 6 out of 10 performance puts you in our best. Basically I have Boyd in the votes because his fitness and ball winning default beats anything else those outside our top 3 had on offer last night.

                            We obviously judge Clay and Boyd relatively. If Boyd played the same game as Clay or even Griff last night he would be nowhere near the votes.

                            The greater issue is of course his affect on the team. He has been like this for a long time yet he is our captain and seems to be very highly regarded within the club. Imagine your boss treated you as a golden child, pretty hard to see reason to make enormous change.

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                            • westbulldog
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 1822

                              #59
                              Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                              FFS, Watson was the best and most influential player on the ground last night by a mile and he was Boyd's head-to-head direct match-up when the game was won, orchestrated by Watson.[/QUOTE]
                              [/B]

                              Spot on.. The midfield was also smashed by Brisbane last week.

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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 44643

                                #60
                                Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

                                Back to the votes

                                Marmo

                                4 - Minson
                                3 - Liberatore
                                2 - Boyd
                                1 - Dahlhaus

                                James
                                2 - Liberatore
                                1 - Dahlhaus
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