Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

**ledge** · 03-09-2012, 03:28 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Maddog37

Page 80. Comment section of super ladder. No detail, I just found it strange to read it in such a throw away manner. John Anderson is the author.

Agree if it's true you would imagine it would be a back page job

**Dry Rot** · 03-09-2012, 03:35 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Back on the OP, can anyone tell me what Fantasia actually does for his pay cheque?

Buggered if I know.

**ledge** · 03-09-2012, 03:44 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Dry Rot

Back on the OP, can anyone tell me what Fantasia actually does for his pay cheque?

Buggered if I know.

Originally he was hired to work between rose and eade and also take the media liaison role so eade could concentrate on coaching more. Not sure what his actual job description is now

**jeemak** · 03-09-2012, 03:55 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Dry Rot

Back on the OP, can anyone tell me what Fantasia actually does for his pay cheque?

Buggered if I know.

Nobody seems to know, but irrespective of that everyone agrees he's doing it poorly!

**stefoid** · 03-09-2012, 03:58 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

I don't want change for the sake of change, we did that last year. I want to fix the horrible mistake we made.

I dont know - Mac isnt some bumbling assisant coach raised from obscurity like -- well lets not go there. He has been around successfully for a fair while in some capacity or other.

Seems like everyone who has something to do with him professionally is backing him, so either he is the worlds biggest con and B/S artist, or he actually does know his stuff.

He has a plan, a well articulated plan, to build from the bottom up - and I suspect - has been given instructions to 'concentrate on the process and dont worry so much about the results this year - wink, wink'. He doesnt act like a guy who is under intense pressure from inside the club to make massive changes to the way he is doing things.

Lastly, lets say he has made major mistakes - without bothering to guess what they may be. If he is siwtched on he will certainly already know what they are and take steps to address them next year, you would think. coaches can learn too.

**Bornadog** · 03-09-2012, 04:06 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Dry Rot

Back on the OP, can anyone tell me what Fantasia actually does for his pay cheque?

Buggered if I know.

He is in charge of the football department. Therefore, the head coach, recruitment, list management, Medical staff, training and recovery all report to him. Its actually a huge job and really needs someone that is highly professional, experienced sports person with management skills.

I agree with the OP, time for a change.

**Remi Moses** · 03-09-2012, 04:19 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Savage

The "be patient it will happen one" is not working either. This forum are two groups, the ones that want change as we see the issues and the other is the apathetic "she be all right mate in the long run" group.

Where is the happy medium.

Do we get blood on the sword and rid us of someone, anyone to make us feel better, if so who (not looking at you Fantasia), or do we just sit back and hope for the best as we always have done.

My views are clear, Chops and I both dont sit on the fence, tell it how it is. The time for a big culture shift is now. We all want success and see it in differing formats.

Human nature says none of us will ever be happy with what we see or get but we must take a stand and make it loud and clear that we expect more. Granted our kids are young and it will come, but at what expense.

I am very concerned about our future, I dont want to be a struggling club anymore.

So what's your answer?

**Remi Moses** · 03-09-2012, 04:32 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by whythelongface

You can probably divide what people want into a couple categories:

1. Those that want to get rid of Fantasia and McCartney immediately;
2. Those that want to get rid of Fantasia immediately and reassess McCartney's position at the end of next year.

Might as well get Marty Mcfly as coach head back to the 80's and call ourselves Richmond.

**Sockeye Salmon** · 03-09-2012, 04:39 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by stefoid

I dont know - Mac isnt some bumbling assisant coach raised from obscurity like -- well lets not go there. He has been around successfully for a fair while in some capacity or other.

Seems like everyone who has something to do with him professionally is backing him, so either he is the worlds biggest con and B/S artist, or he actually does know his stuff.

He has a plan, a well articulated plan, to build from the bottom up - and I suspect - has been given instructions to 'concentrate on the process and dont worry so much about the results this year - wink, wink'. He doesnt act like a guy who is under intense pressure from inside the club to make massive changes to the way he is doing things.

Lastly, lets say he has made major mistakes - without bothering to guess what they may be. If he is siwtched on he will certainly already know what they are and take steps to address them next year, you would think. coaches can learn too.

There's a saying that everyone gets promoted to their own level of incompetence - if you are good at something you keep getting promoted until you finally end up at something you're no good at.

Perhaps McCartney is an excellent assistant but not a senior coach.

None of the people giving him references have ever known him to be THE coach.

**Bornadog** · 03-09-2012, 04:47 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Remi Moses

Might as well get Marty Mcfly as coach head back to the 80's and call ourselves Richmond.

Remi, you seem to just post a negative view of anyone's suggestions that are not the same as yours.

Tell us, Are you happy with the season? Is Fantasia doing a good job?

**stefoid** · 03-09-2012, 04:48 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Chops

If that's the case you can say Clayton brought us to 3 prelims as well.
In 3 Dalrymple drafts how many hits and misses has he had?

Hes done great with latter picks, nobody can dispute that, but its first and second roudners that make or break a recruiter.

And for those, Dalrymple has had very little ammo to work with due to the F/S situation in one year and the coach overriding his first round pick in the last year with Clay smith, and plus the last draft was compromised anyway, meaning that the picks were well down the order as compared with normal 1st and 2nd round picks.

The Smith and F/S picks might turn out to be gold but Dalrymple cant take the credit or blame for them (well 50% for Smith since he chose the player under orders of the coach)

So what are your opinions on Howard, Tutt, Smith and Talia? Its a mixed bag with Howard being the only one I think we can clearly say there are a number of very good players taken after him.

**Sedat** · 03-09-2012, 05:09 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Greystache

Or of course we could sack Fantasia and the world will be right.

I haven't head one person suggest that sacking Fantasia will be the panacea to all of our problems. However, it would be refreshing to see the club aim high and look to get a far more capable operator in charge of our footy dept.

**ledge** · 03-09-2012, 05:17 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by Sedat

I haven't head one person suggest that sacking Fantasia will be the panacea to all of our problems. However, it would be refreshing to see the club aim high and look to get a far more capable operator in charge of our footy dept.

Is there one? A lot of people blaming fantasia then some don't even know what his job is
If we don't even know what his job is how can anyone say he is doing a bad job or a good one and if that's the case how do you know if their is anyone better ?

**Bornadog** · 03-09-2012, 05:22 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by ledge

Is there one? A lot of people blaming fantasia then some don't even know what his job is
If we don't even know what his job is how can anyone say he is doing a bad job or a good one and if that's the case how do you know if their is anyone better ?

I think we know he is the head of the football department.

Originally posted by bornadog

He is in charge of the football department. Therefore, the head coach, recruitment, list management, Medical staff, training and recovery all report to him. Its actually a huge job and really needs someone that is highly professional, experienced sports person with management skills.

I agree with the OP, time for a change.

**Sedat** · 03-09-2012, 05:57 PM

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Originally posted by ledge

Is there one? A lot of people blaming fantasia then some don't even know what his job is
If we don't even know what his job is how can anyone say he is doing a bad job or a good one and if that's the case how do you know if their is anyone better ?

He oversees every aspect of the footy dept, as has been stated several times prior.

So let's break down his performance and look at one of his key roles, that of player contract negotiations and list management - how would you rate his performance in this area? We pay well over the odds to retain Lake (whose manager played Fantasia like a 2nd hand fiddle), we are the only club in the competition to lose 2 starting U-23 players to the expansion clubs through poor negotiating/forwad planning, we needlessly retain veterans like Eagleton, Akermanis and Hahn 1-2 years too long, we upgrade several rookies who have not shown squat at senior AFL level. We give up draft picks like they are candy for players about to be delisted like Djerkurra. There's more but that's a nice list to start off with.