Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

[Redemption97]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

None of us know how Fantasia has performed in his role or who is responsible for this horrible season? Absolute speculation and pitch forking by some. We've been up, we weren't good enough after investing everything into that missed shot and now we are down and need to face our rebuild. That is footy.

Sack the coach, blame fantasia and Smorgo. Sometimes I'm more ashamed of our supporters than I am at the fact that this club has only one premiership to its name. All I know is these things aren't that simplistic and can't be lumped on one person. It might make you feel better about your self pity for being a dogs supporter though.

We are all disappointed but this thread is a witch hunt full of negativity and speculation of bitter sad supporters who should do us all a favor and keep their projected bitterness to themselves. My opinion of course.

[Maddog37]

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No they're right, they're always right just ask them.

Well they will be right........it is just a matter of when.

[Sedat]

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Do we really have the intel to say this with a lot of conviction?
How do we know he does a better job in that area than Stephen Wells and others?

Fair call. Let's then say that under Clayton's watch we lost absolutely nobody we wanted to keep. Can't say the same at all about Fantasia.

[Maddog37]

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Losing Ward was a sackable offence in itself.

[GVGjr]

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Fair call. Let's then say that under Clayton's watch we lost absolutely nobody we wanted to keep. Can't say the same at all about Fantasia.

Clayton never had to contend with two teams being introduced to the competition either.
I don't doubt he was very good at closing contracts and he was excellent with trade negotiations etc but his reputation as a recruiter for a long while was well above his results and I wonder if he was actually as good as his reputation with contracts?

[Maddog37]

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We will find out over the next few years at Gold Coast. Juggling all those stars will be tricky.

[whythelongface]

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Losing Ward was a sackable offence in itself.

not defending Fantasia, but do you really think any list manager would have been able to hold back Ward from going to GWS?

[GVGjr]

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None of us know how Fantasia has performed in his role or who is responsible for this horrible season? Absolute speculation and pitch forking by some. We've been up, we weren't good enough after investing everything into that missed shot and now we are down and need to face our rebuild. That is footy.

I don't disagree with this but there has been some poor decisions over the last couple of years which have hurt us and these are areas under Fantasia's control.
I don't think Fantasia is 100% to blame for things like rookie promotions that didn't work or the Sherman trade or even some list management decisions with some older guys but a lot of things have led us to where we are now. Fantasia needs to get very busy and make sure we get everything right from here on in.

[F'scary]

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The Doctor: you have made reference to John the Baptist in your thread title. Does that make you Salome?

[GVGjr]

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not defending Fantasia, but do you really think any list manager would have been able to hold back Ward from going to GWS?

I think the question here is more around that we had an agreement in place with Ward but didn't show a sufficient sense of urgency to get the deal done and it dragged on too long. Once Ward heard the type of dollars he command elsewhere we were behind the 8 ball.

[Greystache]

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One minute you post about the dangers of CEO's being culpable for the errors of their staff, then next minute you suggest Fantasia's boss should be sacked because of Fantasia's errors? Which is is 'stache?

My position on Fantasia is clear. He has been in the role for a number of years and has under-performed dismally IMO. As such I would like to see a much better candidate lured to the club to replace him.

I was making a point that people are calling for Fantasia's head because the buck stops with him as head of football operations (not you by the way), using that logic then surely the ultimate head of football should be held accountable.

Holding Chris Grant solely responsible makes about as much sense as holding Fantasia solely responsible.

[whythelongface]

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I think the question here is more around that we had an agreement in place with Ward but didn't show a sufficient sense of urgency to get the deal done and it dragged on too long. Once Ward heard the type of dollars he command elsewhere we were behind the 8 ball.

good point. not being up to speed with the contract negotiations so thanks for pointing that out. Just a question - did Ward's management stall negotiations knowing full well that GWS were looking at offering big bucks to a potential superstar on another club's list? if that is the case then Fantasia can't take all the blame for the stalled negotiations.

[Redemption97]

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I don't disagree with this but there has been some poor decisions over the last couple of years which have hurt us and these are areas under Fantasia's control.
I don't think Fantasia is 100% to blame for things like rookie promotions that didn't work or the Sherman trade or even some list management decisions with some older guys but a lot of things have led us to where we are now. Fantasia needs to get very busy and make sure we get everything right from here on in.

Yep but this club also has got a lot of things right too. We were so close. Is that already forgotten? For a while there I've never had so much pride and joy as a dogs supporter. It was the same administration that nearly got us there.

I have every confidence we'll get there again. We often point the finger as supporters and that is our right but some of the hysteria is plain ludicrous. I have absolute confidence that the club is doing everything it can to get us a flag.

People lament Ward walking out... Was it the club that failed or the person who was lured by $? Personally for me with so many examples out there of players staying for less I see it as Ward failing us more than an incompetent footy manager.

[GVGjr]

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good point. not being up to speed with the contract negotiations so thanks for pointing that out. Just a question - did Ward's management stall negotiations knowing full well that GWS were looking at offering big bucks to a potential superstar on another club's list? if that is the case then Fantasia can't take all the blame for the stalled negotiations.

I'm not 100% certain but I think we could have wrapped up the deal in late 2010. Once it got into 2011 then the deal was becoming far more challenging and worth a lot more that originally talked about.

[Bornadog]

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I was making a point that people are calling for Fantasia's head because the buck stops with him as head of football operations (not you by the way), using that logic then surely the ultimate head of football should be held accountable.

Holding Chris Grant solely responsible makes about as much sense as holding Fantasia solely responsible.

Sorry, Chris is a volunteer on a board, Fantasia is a paid employee. I would say the buck stops with Garlick, then the whole board.